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WHY GAMERS ARE NOTHING BUT SLAVES TO EVOLUTION - by Mr Biffo

31/5/2017

55 Comments

 
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So, on Digi yesterday I done this: a review of Injustice 2, in which I admitted that I've never really liked beat 'em ups. I also made the grave error of once again saying that I didn't get Dark Souls. Predictably, there was the usual dismay in the comments. 

If it would help you to stoke that dismay, may I offer that it's not just Dark Souls that I don't like, but Bloodborne too. They just don't click with me, and it is time that we all accepted this. 

Believe me: nobody is more dismayed than I that I don't really like these games which so many people insist are among the greatest games of all time. I mean, it's not even just the gameplay; even on an aesthetic level I find them off-putting. It's like having a late-80s/early-90s thrash metal album cover thrust repeatedly into my face, while somebody keeps kicking my legs out from underneath me.

On an entirely objective intellectual level, I fully understand the argument that Dark Souls is one of the greatest video game series of all time. Clearly, there's something very pure about it, that it's very addictive, and all that. The important thing is this: me not liking a thing you like doesn't discount your own experience of that thing. 

Gaming is a broad church, encompassing all manner of genres, and settings. What I want from games isn't necessarily what you want, and - seriously, now - you've got to stop trying to force your tastes upon other people, because it hardly ever works.

And now I'm going to do this: tell you precisely why that is. Or, more likely, set out with the intention to do that, and go off at some other tangent.
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THE BEATLESS
See... I'm not a massive fan of The Beatles (though as I write this I'm actually listening to Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - and I can confirm that it is, y'know, basically fine), but I can appreciate what The Beatles did. I get their significance and importance, but - funny as you probably find this - Marillion are my favourite band.

Yet that's despite the fact that they're one of the most derided and mocked musical acts of all time. I've had to come to accept that I'm going to no more convince you to like them than you'd be able to convince me that they're rubbish. But that's okay, because most of my mates like them, and I get to hang out with my Marillion tribe from time to time, and that makes me happy. The more they've been attacked over the years, the more I become entrenched when it comes to defending them.

More on the significance of tribes in a moment.

Importantly, my like or dislike of certain music or games or hats doesn't discount or undermine your own subjective experience. When it comes to games, I was always looking for something more, beyond the boundaries of what the game would offer. My favourite games are those where I can explore, and I don't want that exploration to be a massive chore. I know what I like, even if I don't know exactly why I like it.

But get this: why we like or dislike stuff mostly has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's any good or not. And get this as well: we often like what we like because of crazy evolutionary reasons. It's why the world is broken up into tribes; football supporters, goths, gamers, cosplayers, Christians, Trump supporters, Marillion fans...

We like stuff because it makes us feel safe - and that's why we try to inflict those likes on other people. In short: the more of us they are in our tribe, the safer we are. Threaten our tribe, and we'll either fight back or pull up the drawbridge.
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LIKE ME?
We want others to like the things we like because our likes are part of who we are, and it's important to be liked. It validates us, and it acts as a form of armour.

Anybody who tells you that they don't want to be liked is either a liar, or slightly broken; evolution has programmed us to want to be liked, because there's safety in being liked, and in being part of a collective of people who all like or believe in similar things. They might be liking a particular god, or a set of values, or a prog rock band, or Aston Villa FC. Strength in numbers.

Liking different things is an evolutionary adaptive strategy. The more people like us, who like the same stuff as us, recruits more members to our "tribe", and the safer we become. We have "taste", because we need to feel that reward when our taste or belief gets the thumbs-up from others.

Social learning is more or less unique to humans, and a big part of the reason why we've flourished and spread across the planet, and subjugated every other species on earth.

Culture is adaptive, and we've learned to listen to the opinions of others, as a shorthand for our own opinions; that's why we've got Metacritic, and games magazine review scores, and TripAdvisor.  

And yet... we don't all like the exact same things; humans walk a fine line between wanting to belong to a group, and wanting to be recognised as a distinct individual. This latter point explains that mate you have who seems to go out of his or her way to like the most obscure stuff possible.

It's a paradox, though; in trying to be different, that person will seek out others who like that same obscure stuff. He or she will go to gigs, or join message boards, full of people with similar tastes. It explains hipsters and social tribes that go against the majority to be individual, while dressing identically to their peers. They're trying to satisfy two different needs at once.

The same motors drive sales of things like music and video games; charts are important to people, because we want to know what is popular. Top-selling games sell more, and low-selling games sell less, because - rather than seek out something that we might like because we like it - we'll trust the group.
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DOPE
This might all sound mad to you. You're an individual, you know you're own mind - you'd never be controlled by something as insignificant and irrelevant as the primal evolutionary engines which have led your species to become the dominant lifeforms on earth, right?

Wrong - and science can prove it.

Neuroscientsts have found that the part of the brain which rewards us with a dopamine hit when we experience a thing that we like is the same part which drives us to survive.

Conversely, the opposite is true. Our brain and body can interpret somebody not liking something that we like as a threat. It's why you get idiots attacking reviewers - and it's why those idiots often attack reviewers en masse.

It's the modern day equivalent of a group of hunters surrounding some poor feller from another tribe, and stoning him to death. Although, y'know... in a rather sad, tragic, sort of way, because a games reviewer is no actual threat to anybody's tribe. A reviewer isn't going to challenge you for resources, or murder your children, and yet the primitive part of a person's brain can often interpret it as such. Imagine being a person like that, with so little awareness of what's driving them!

Well... you don't have to imagine it, because that person is you, to a greater or lesser degree.

Ha ha. Sucked in.

Which brings me back to this: I don't like Dark Souls and there is literally nothing you can do about it. In fact, I've now made not liking Dark Souls part of who I am. It probably has little to do with the game anymore, and everything to do with the fact that this has become part of my identity. Have a crack at me all you like: all you're going to do is cement it right in there.

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55 Comments
Euphemia
31/5/2017 01:19:47 pm

Dark Souls gives me the hards.

Marillion do not.

Most normal folk don't give two shits about either of these.

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Biscuits the character
31/5/2017 01:43:35 pm

But imagine if I said 'Marillion? Why would I listen to a bunch of namby-pamby flute boys like Jethro Tull, mixed with the interminable drum solos of the hair metal set, singing songs all about The Darling Buds of May?'

Especially if I had spent the last few paragraphs saying 'Hey, isn't David Jason awful? Fair enough if you like him, but I only like good actors. And how about flutes - well crap!'

Would you not feel inclined to speak up? Yesterday you outlined why you don't like certain types of games, putting it down to having too much of a life, then you said you didn't like Dark Souls as a result. This would be mildly-insulting anyway, but it's more the inaccuracy that sparked debate yesterday. It's not about you not liking something (though bringing up something you don't like unprompted is a good way to get those responses) - it just isn't correct.

In short though, we are fine, we will gripe and piss and moan, as you will - it's part of what makes us British, human etc. Some of this moaning will not agree with your moaning! But we are all big adults now so there's no need to worry

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Mr Biffo
31/5/2017 01:56:22 pm

Seriously... having been a fan for 30-odd years... I've heard all the abuse and misrepresentation of Marillion it's possible to hear, and I'm way, way, way past rising to it.

Anyhow. I don't like Dark Souls because it's too hard, and I can't be arsed.

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Biscuits
31/5/2017 02:38:03 pm

OK. What is the best Marillion song though?

Mr Biffo
31/5/2017 03:00:21 pm

Uh... That's almost impossible to answer. And it's only going to be my opinion. Probably The Invisible Man, although that might change on any given day.

Biscuits
31/5/2017 03:13:15 pm

Fair enough, but Fish or Hogarth?

Mr Biffo
31/5/2017 03:27:39 pm

If I had a gun to my head... Hogarth, but Fish era is closer to my heart.

Biscuits
31/5/2017 04:57:14 pm

A Hogarthead eh? I won't tell anyone...

This was a well researched article in response to your readership, so thanks!

Alastair
1/6/2017 11:59:55 am

They're a bit like Jethro Tull? Thumbs up!

Clockwork Fool
1/6/2017 05:52:48 pm

Dark Souls is largely not even that hard. You can secretly just run past most of the content and that's exactly how that one Japanese guy did a one and half hour speedrun of it.

It only gets hard if you try to actually play it, give or take the bosses.

Dark Souls 1 is a ten hour action game stretched out to a 100 hour action game via arbitrary difficulty and poor controls. Love the atmosphere though.

Dr Peanuts
31/5/2017 02:08:11 pm

What if Marillion released an album but the only way to listen to it was the complete Dark Souls?

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Mr Biffo
31/5/2017 02:18:27 pm

Man... that's a tough one. Yeah, I'd probably have to try and finish it. Then again, they've certainly done a couple of albums that I've found a challenge to finish.

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RG
31/5/2017 02:20:28 pm

I've never played Dark Souls. I thought it looked like my kind of game –fantasy, swords, magics etc. I then read that it's very difficult and thought and thought, well, not my cup of tea. I want games to fulfil my power fantasies where I am the unstoppable force. I don't want keep getting beaten until I learn how to muddle through. That's called life and games are an escape from that.

I'm also with you on the beat 'em up genre – too much to learn and too fiddly. There was a game back in the 8 bit days (I think it was called IK+) that had different buttons for high, medium and low punch, kick or defend - no 'combos'. It was all about timing and was to my mind much more fun.

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Nurse
31/5/2017 02:44:25 pm

Once you are good at Dark Souls, you become a deity. Bosses that previously took you 30+ attempts and hours of play to beat now fall in 30 seconds. My first runthrough of a Souls game takes me about 60-70 hours, subsequent runthroughs take 5-10.

As an invader, you can become a malevolent force that will cause another player to curse and fume, if that is your wish. Any new players you deign to help out will message you in awe. Nothing conveys a sense of power like Souls imo

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RG
31/5/2017 03:38:55 pm

After 60-70 hours of anything you'd hope to have picked up some impressive skills. It seems like a long time to spend on a game that keeps kicking your arse. Don't get me wrong - I've spent hundreds of hours on some games but spending 60-70 hours to get good doesn't sound like my kind of fun.

RG
31/5/2017 03:47:07 pm

Also - echoing Mr B - I'm not belittling anybody's enjoyment of this. I guess I'm just looking for more instant gratification. I don't have the patience to learn the skills. Which is also why I can't play musical intruments, play sports or program a computer...

Ganapan
31/5/2017 04:16:11 pm

After 60 hours I had already completed the game. But some months after that I started playing again (bored of other games) with a new character but now watching and reading youtube videos and wikis while playing. And a new game opened in front of me: new items, weapons, AREAS to explore, enemies and even some moves (that kick...). Its what a like of it, you end up making strategies on the fly that gets you through alive but there is always room for improvement If you like this kind of stuff.

Nurse Shark
31/5/2017 04:25:27 pm

I appreciate it, and my whinging shouldn't be taken as anything more than some loser on the internet's opinion, obviously. I just like talking things through like this.

There seems to be a common (but hugely erroneous) assumption that the game isn't fun until you are good at it. 'Learning' the skills is intuitive and requires no more effort than playing a game you are enjoying: The first time through is THE time. Those 60-70 hours will be some of the best gaming you've ever taken part in. Very, very rare indeed is the Dark Souls player that doesn't want to go back and play it for the first time again.

Aside from all that though, why would you spend 60-70 hours on something that isn't kicking your arse? DS has progression and change inherent in its gameplay. "Why would you spend 60-70 hours just dawdling about doing the same thing in a game?" is a better question imo

Spiney O'Sullivan
31/5/2017 04:31:49 pm

@Nurseshark:
Fun is subjective, so for some people a game really isn't fun unless they're good at it.

Carry On Nurse
31/5/2017 04:49:06 pm

Then they can enjoy actually being good at something! If the game is easy the whole time then there is no good or bad, just meandering about. Nothing wrong with that, I like Abzu and Protious and stuff. I don't think I could spend 70 hours in them though

Spiney O'Sullivan
1/6/2017 12:36:15 pm

Some people do enjoy wandering. I have friends who never complete the campaigns in GTA games or don't obsessively seek all out the modern day conspiracy content in Assassin's Creed games. I don't get it, but whatever, it's their game. They don't get why I put up with doing what I'm told in an open world game or hunting down a ton of widgets.

With Dark Souls, they can just not play it if they're not going to enjoy it. Nobody here is saying "make it easy", we're saying "I just can't be arsed with this as there's other ways I'd rather spend my time".

Ganapan
31/5/2017 03:53:21 pm

Of course a lot of people will not get/enjoy Dark souls. Dark Souls is "Trolling: the game"; prepare to get fucked for the lolz. But unlike internet trolls you can actually "fight back", which means reapeating over and over again the same things eventually gaining a minor battle/advantage that don't change the ultimate truth: everything is fucked up.
Wait.....

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Doctor
31/5/2017 04:26:07 pm

This does not sound like my experience at all

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FatGav
1/6/2017 03:34:47 am

This sounds awful

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Mrtankthreat
31/5/2017 04:02:03 pm

I understand the futility of trying to get people to like a certain thing but I think the thing with Dark Souls is that so many people, myself included, hated it too at first until it clicked. Plus it contains so much stuff that you like about games.

I think there's a feeling from the Dark Souls fans that if you just kept playing eventually it will click, in the same way it did for us and in a way that we wouldn't expect to happen with any other game.

There's lots of other games or genres of games you don't like that I do and would never dream of trying to convince you to like those. There's just something about Dark Souls.

Although the fact you don't like the aesthetics seems to me like a more palatable reason not to like it than constantly banging on about how hard it is. I'd focus more on that.

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Nurse, the blinds!
31/5/2017 04:32:11 pm

That too would hold more weight if I hadn't previously read a gushing article about the covers of old adventure books here, which the Dark souls aesthetic bares much more of a similarity to than heavy metal album covers

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Mr Biffo
31/5/2017 04:43:43 pm

Seriously? Man... Dark Souls fans are the new Amiga owners.

Nurse Ratchett
31/5/2017 05:00:27 pm

It is true! It is very much mossy, moldy, grim fantasy as opposed to scary tough dragons.

I bet you didn't like it when Amiga owners pointed out they had the best version of Treasure Island Dizzy too. This is an irrefutable fact.

Craig
31/5/2017 04:27:02 pm

We're not so different, you and I. I had a mate a uni who stopped talking to me after we had a heated argument because he couldn't, or wouldn't accept that I don't think the Beatles are much good, even when I explained that listening to their music provokes absolutely no emotional response from me - like or dislike.

Similarly, I felt really guilty because a friend of mine bought me Bloodborne as a present (super generous!). I put in about 10 hours, but I can honestly say I didn't enjoy any of those 10 hours. Much like the Beatles it's 'fine', and the only reason I put in 10 hours instead of giving up after an hour (when I already knew I didn't like it), was that he's a friend on my PSN too, so would be able to see that I'm never playing it.

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Jol
31/5/2017 04:43:47 pm

Never really listened to Marillion, although they did pop up in my Discover Weekly Playlist on Spotify, probably because I've got a bunch of prog stuff on there. Are they really mocked that much more than any other prog band? I've never really heard anyone take the piss out of King Crimson.

(as an aside, I totally remember an 'episode' of the Snakes where one of them declared that they liked Jethro Tull and that you "don't diss the Tull", so it's basically Biffo's fault that I once spent my pocket money on Thick As A Brick)

I'd like to like Dark Souls. I like the general look and feel of the game, but the slow pace combined with retreading the same ground over and over grates after a while. I didn't mind Bloodborne as much as it's a bit quicker and you get a gun rather than a shield, but it still has the same formula of having to approach every new area by slowly moving inch-by-inch lest you get ambushed and killed by something hiding behind a wall.

There's just a big barrier that needs to be overcome to enjoy the game that a lot of players either aren't willing or capably of overcoming. But hey getting to be one of the cool kids that beat the barrier is part of the appeal.

That said I do quite like Salt & Sanctuary; maybe it's the art style or maybe it's just easier. Also it's digital-only so I can't trade it in.

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Biscuits
31/5/2017 05:01:43 pm

I'll take the piss out of King Crimson: those are some fucking terrible lyrics and some appalling drama student schtick from the singer

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Mr Biffo
31/5/2017 05:05:16 pm

Yeah, you're right. Prog in generally is routinely mocked. Much of it deserved to be honest. Most of it I think is just awful - especially so many modern prog bands. But then the likes of Radiohead, Muse, Public Service Broadcasting, Steven Wilson are - rightly - the sort of acceptable face of it, but no less prog than any of those other widdly-widdly bands.

Marillion got stick early on because they had a 20-minute b-side which pretty much ripped off Supper's Ready by Genesis, and Fish wore face paint, like Peter Gabriel. They stopped sounding anything like them after their first album, but by that point the criticism had stuck, and that became the narrative. It was either "Genesis copyists" or "Scottish heavy metal band".

I remember reading a piece in The Sun around 1985 - when they had a big hit with Kayleigh - saying that not only had Marillion ripped off the sound of Genesis, but Fish was trying to copy Phil Collins' hair. They couldn't win, basically.

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Nick
31/5/2017 04:55:43 pm

I don't really like the Dark Souls/Bloodborn games either.
(Goes back to polishing stones for people who don't like Yakuza 0)

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Biscuits
31/5/2017 05:03:47 pm

I like both! Yakuza 0 was great fun. New one out soonish

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RSI Is Not Fun
31/5/2017 05:34:29 pm

Bought into the hype machine and tried Dark Souls. First bit was fine; "oh, this isn't so bad", then arrived at first boss and died immediately. Started to make minimal progress over about 15 mins of repeatedly dying, then gave up and uninstalled. As Biffo so eloquently puts it, 'I can't be arsed'. It's personal preference of how an individual wants to spend their gaming time, for me, I didn't enjoy that rinse n' repeat process.

Strangely though, I've come to adore 'My Summer Car' - a bizarre Finnish creation where you rebuild an old banger from scratch. A game Steam reviewers tongue-in-cheekily describe as harder than Dark Souls and possibly even more grindy as every nut and bolt has to be attached perfectly or your car falls apart.

So not liking Dark Souls doesn't necessarily make you the 'filthy casual' some in that particular tribe would brand you I reckon.

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Well Stanford
31/5/2017 05:57:19 pm

My Summer Car is a game notorious for being unplayably difficult and relentlessly monotonous

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RSI Is Not Fun
1/6/2017 12:30:48 am

A quick look at a build video gave me the gist of where to start. But yes I suppose a bit like Dark Souls it was designed to be difficult for the beginner. Monotonous perhaps, but I find it kind of therapeutic.

Gives me the same slight pride that Dark Souls gives its' fans that a lot of people consider it too unforgiving to complete.

Well Stanford
1/6/2017 09:28:19 am

You're the first guy I've 'spoken' to who has seemingly genuinely enjoyed it outside of ironic appreciation. You may well be the most hardcore out of any of us

stoo
31/5/2017 05:41:43 pm

Not played Dark Souls, but I'm, not the most dextrous of gamers and it sounds too difficult to be appealing. If I have an hour's gaming time in the evening I want to be spent doing something fun. Not putting in hours of practice to earn the fun.


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Copy Nurse
31/5/2017 05:57:53 pm

There seems to be a common (but hugely erroneous) assumption that the game isn't fun until you are good at it. 'Learning' the skills is intuitive and requires no more effort than playing a game you are enjoying: The first time through is THE time. Those 60-70 hours will be some of the best gaming you've ever taken part in. Very, very rare indeed is the Dark Souls player that doesn't want to go back and play it for the first time again.

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Kelvin Green link
31/5/2017 06:18:36 pm

The difficulty is overstated. There's a very vocal section of the fandom that claims that there's only one way to play and that's to make it difficult on yourself; it's like saying the true way to play Pac Man is blindfolded.

What the game does well is allow you to set your own difficulty, not through a menu selection, but your in-game approach to hazards. It is more than possible to play through the entire game without having to make a single dodge if you want.

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Kelvin Green link
31/5/2017 06:13:23 pm

Don't worry, Biffster, I don't much like Dark Souls either. It's okay, a solid 6/10, maybe a 7/10, but I wouldn't go further than that. It's a bit janky in places and I think fans let it get away with stuff that wouldn't pass if it were any other game.

All the macho masochism of the "git gud" ballcocks can shove off too.

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Grelkin Trembo
31/5/2017 06:21:31 pm

Seems arbitrary, but with some genuine sentiment in the last sentence perhaps accounting for what came before

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Kelvin Green link
1/6/2017 06:05:56 pm

I could elaborate, but I doubt anyone would care.

superfog
31/5/2017 08:14:29 pm

Is there any point to someone reviewing something they don't like?

It would like me "reviewing" an episode of "Escape from the C(o)untryside" or "Bargain C^H^H^unt" - e.g. "I literally vomited blood from my eyes and the constant screeching of the presenters forced my hamster to choke on the contents of his own cheek pouches..."

...and no good can come of that

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Biccos
1/6/2017 07:31:43 am

I liked it

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DEAN
1/6/2017 08:36:39 am

"Is there any point to someone reviewing something they don't like?"

For me at least, even if I disagree with a review, I'll still be interested in good points well made.

That is unless Nintendo are getting a slagging. I won't fucking stand for any of that shit. Sometimes I fly off the handle even when somebody is saying something nice about Nintendo but I've become confused like a dog in a high stress situation that now has a 'bite everybody' policy (including it's owner) because it's not 100% on what exactly is going on.

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Biscuits
1/6/2017 09:06:48 am

2012-2016 must have been tough...

DEAN
1/6/2017 09:33:04 am

LOL! I mean Grrrrrrrr...

I'll snap at your hand!

Tom
1/6/2017 01:42:06 pm

I tried really hard to like Dark Souls. I had previously loved the Xbox version of Ninja Gaiden, which is another title with a reputation for being pretty 'hardcore' and I really liked the sound of the game from the reviews I read.

My first impressions weren't great as I felt the characters was quite lumbering and the environments seemed a bit dreary. I only played it for a few hours and didn't pick it up again for months.

When I did pick it up again I really went for it and put in a good twenty hours or so. I started to get a feel for the controls and stopped dying so much but it still never really clicked for me.

I killed a particularly tough boss after dying several times and felt pretty elated but I just couldn't summon up the energy to go through all of that again on the next boss.

Also, I felt that so much of the game was deliberately confusing, like gestures that your character could make but no explanation of why or when you'd use them. It just irritated me vaguely.

Like Biffo says, opinions on games are subjective and I suspect that if I had played this game at a different point in my life I may well have concluded that it was a masterpiece as so many others seem to.

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Paul
1/6/2017 07:21:19 pm

There was some web comic-cartoon thing (done in Flash like all things like that were) in the 1990s called The Beatless. It was odd, and a vague parody of The Fab Four

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John
1/6/2017 09:59:28 pm

I find it troubling that although I can see how true this article is when talking about people in general, it just does not seem to apply at all to me. I like some stuff but don't try to convince other people to agree... Or even tell other people that I like it... I don't like some stuff that is broadly popular but I don't try to explain or argue my dislikes...

Why bother? Seriously??!!

All that said, I have to agree about The Beatles. Though I think I can attribute that to two things:

1) Having to sing Beatles songs accompanied by a Hammond organ in music class in school. Every sodding lesson.

2) Living just close enough to Liverpool to hear an entire city mention The Beatles every 12 fucking seconds... like a distant voice in the wind. People visit us and say "is that the hiss of the motorway I can hear?". " Beatles chatter." I reply.

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Nick
1/6/2017 10:22:32 pm

I lived there for 18 months (Wavertree) and they just wouldn't shut up about them. It was during the capital of culture and they were everywhere. I just said I preferred The Kinks and then they wouldn't talk to me again

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John
1/6/2017 10:28:15 pm

I assume you were chased out by a crowd bearing burning torches and pitchforks.

Scotsguard
4/6/2017 04:53:38 pm

All this chat about dark souls kinda makes me want to play it again, but then I remember that it's so vague with any instructions or guidance and that in itself makes the game even harder. I did play it for a while after it was available on Xbox live gold and it was OK, but I've never liked boss battles and the ones in here are too hard/frustrating/monotonous to be any fun.
Some of it was fun but I think I'd be happier playing it if I was some kinda demi-god that could smash everyone with ease, just so I could do the adventuring part of it and see the whole game.

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