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WE INTERRUPT THE USUAL PROGRAMMING... by Mr Biffo

18/6/2016

93 Comments

 
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I've always been politically apathetic. I've mostly always voted Lib-Dem - that's how much I care.

I grew up in a household where politics were never mentioned. I kind of knew my dad voted Labour, but he complained about the unions, and read The Sun. The closest I ever got to a political education was alternative comedy: "Mrs Thatch = bad", I learned from Ben Elton.

That might be why I voted Labour a couple of times.

On the whole, though, I've just never been angry enough about anything, never liked being lectured to or ranted at, always been too suspicious of the motives of those who seek power, to ever pin my colours to one mast or the other. 

Neither ideology on the left or the right ever really spoke to me - the class of person that's sort of neither here nor there. It felt like the only ones shouting were on opposite extremes, because they were the only ones stoked up enough to make noise. The rest of us were sufficiently comfortable and sane to not engage with that sort of rabble-rousing, and were happy getting along with our lives while ignoring them.

​I no longer feel I can do that. And so... sorry... but this piece has nothing to do with video games. It's not funny. It's just a bit depressing. But I need to get it off my chest, because I'm livid.
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SOMETHING
I started writing this piece earlier in the week, in the wake of the Orlando shooting.

I shelved it, because it just felt out of place on a site whose USP is a jarring mix of video game articles, poo jokes, and lists of weird baby photos.

​It was a rant, basically. I was upset, and I wasn't sure what I wanted to say. I wasn't sure what I felt even. I just felt... something.

And then yesterday, a 42 year-old mother-of-two was shot and stabbed to death, because - at the best guess - she happened to be an MP and supporter of the anti-Brexit campaign. And then I knew I couldn't just keep quiet, and keep my head down, like I have done for 40-odd years.

For the first time in my life, I feel angry about something bigger than that which exists in my own little bubble of life, my own issues. It's an anger I've never felt before. A sense of impotence, which stokes it into rage. It feels like the world is shifting. It feels like something very dangerous is in the air, and it's terrifying. It feels like change, and not change for the better.

I can't shake the sense that we're on the verge of some sort of a tipping point.

​That's what I talked about in the original version of this piece. The language and rhetoric from politicians, political and religious leaders, the media, and the like, which leads vulnerable people to become radicalised. I wrote about how was only going to get worse if we continued along that path.

​And then it did. 

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WARY
I've always been wary of anyone who declares that the world is changing too fast. Our frame of reference for the entirety of human civilisation is our own life up to this point.

​It's a very narrow focus, and when it comes to thinking that the world is more crapulous now than it was... well, duh.

Of course the world used to be better, because you used to be a kid. No mortgages or taxes, and the biggest thing you had to worry about was getting home in time to watch Grange Hill. 
Britain has always been a country of immigrants. I love that I live in London, with its multiculturalism. That, to me, is what gives my home its identity.

My partner is half-English/half-Croatian, and grew up in Australia. My step-kids are half-Italian. My neighbours on one side are Indian, and on the other are Romanians. They're the best neighbours I've ever had. All my daughter's friends growing up were either Hindu or Muslim, and even when I was at school I'd say at least half my classmates were non-white.

That's the world I know. A Britain that is stronger, better, more interesting, because of that mix.

The only people making it more dangerous are those who oppose it, those
 stoking fears that we're losing some ideal of a way of life that never really existed. That those whose accents are different, whose skin is a different colour, who have different beliefs, are in some way a threat. 

EXTREME
Worse still, I'm worried that extreme elements are having their beliefs legitimised by politicians. I worry that even if Trump loses, even if we don't leave the EU, their supporters will become more vocal, more extreme, more angry. And that the angrier and more entitled they become, the angrier and more entitled their opposition.

It becomes a vicious circle. They become empowered by those in power who speak to their prejudices.

And it feels universal. It's not just when it comes to matters of EU membership, or Radical Islam, or immigration. You see the exact same thing happening around movements/hashtags like Gamergate. One side advances, and the other side pushes back with more force. It's all Us and Them. They're threatening the way we've always had it. 


And then within that you have those who are too unhinged to understand that there is, nevertheless, a line that shouldn't be crossed. Those who are so fired up, that they take up arms and kill those who they've been made to feel might threaten their way of life.

If reports are accurate, there are troubling parallels between Omar Mateen, the Orlando gunman, and Thomas Mair, the alleged killer of Jo Cox. Though seemingly ideological opposites, both have been described as loners with mental health issues. Both aligned themselves to a different righteous cause. Neither, it would appear, was acting under direct instructions - despite what Donald Trump might suggest.

They had been programmed remotely, by osmosis, through the media, by politicians, or would-be religious leaders. Through the hate speech and fearmongering which is increasingly becoming the baseline of our world. Mental illness and extremism are not - as we have seen demonstrated twice this week - mutually exclusive. Raise an army by desensitising your troops and don't act surprised when the guns start firing.

Both Mateen and Mair, it appears, were made to feel, by those they looked to for guidance, that their way of life was the right one, and that other elements threatened it. It's a fight for survival, which doesn't need to exist.

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NO SUPPORT
And that's why I can't support Brexit.

I'm not an intellectual or educated man. I just know what I feel, and what I feel is that my life is generally fine as it is.

That people are inherently good, regardless of who they are, or what they've been conditioned to believe.

The Brexit campaign seeks to divide us, to isolate us and limit us. Just as Donald Trump wants to build a wall, so the Leave campaign seeks to put up invisible walls between us and the rest of the world. It wants us to retreat.

And let's not try and pretend that any of their arguments about the economic benefits of leaving the EU is anything other than a smokescreen for their own racism or political ambitions - whether their supporters understand their own inherent prejudices or not. A vote for Brexit serves nobody more than Nigel Farage, Michael Gove, or Boris Johnson and their ilk. You're helping them, not yourself. 

THE GAME
And what I hate the most is the way that it feels like a game to them. Rich, white, men who enjoy the spotlight just a little too much, and are playing at politics. The shameful boat flotilla down the Thames - with its undignified behaviour from both the Leaves and the Remains - or the disgusting anti-immigration poster unveiled by Farage this week. It seems so flippant and self-serving, and it disgusts me.

They don't care to see the bigger picture, because they're too busy enjoying themselves. At the expense of us, and our society. People with a narrow, bigoted focus, seeking power at whatever cost.

How can any of us, who possess a capacity for empathy, truly align ourselves to any movement which also has support from far-right groups like Britain First, or the British National Party? How can anyone support Trump, when he's endorsed by members of the Klu Klux Klan?

This is what we have to fight against. The rhetoric, the racism, the fearmongering, the sheer lack of empathy, and powerful, rich, people, who just want more power and money.

We are a global community, yet we're being split into ever smaller camps of Us and Them. We're weaker outside of Europe. We're weaker apart as a species.

And worse than that, if Leave wins next week, it will be a vote for racism. It'll be a vote for fearmongering, and it'll give politicians licence to continue campaigning on those platforms, using that language, and it's only going to make our world more dangerous.

​We can't afford to let that happen. We can't afford to let them see that such language gives them political leverage, and is a road to power. There has to be a better way.

MY MUM
My 79 year-old mum is in hospital at the moment. She's been ill for a while, and this week she had a major operation that will - hopefully - fix the issue, and give her back some quality of life.

I went up to see her last night, in the intensive care unit, where she's wired into thousands of pounds worth of machines that go "ping!", and being cared for 24 hours a day by the staff. 80% of whom - I should add - were born outside the UK. I've never felt more grateful to have the NHS.

When I got back, I posted an update on Facebook, telling my friends and family how she was doing, as many of them had been asking. In return, I got back a ton of kind messages wishing her the best - from people who don't know her, and who really didn't have to take the time to write. 

And that's because people are, fundamentally, good and kind. People have great capacity for empathy.
People care about other people. That's who we are.

We mustn't listen to those who seek to tell us differently, or scare us into believing otherwise. Take away religion, or political beliefs, or race, or sexual orientation, and we all can love and care for others. It's biological, it's evolutionary, and it's programmed into us on a cellular level.

That's what survival is really about. That's how we really survive. By pulling closer together as a species. Not keeping the world and each other at arms length, and staying scared. Imagine what we could achieve.

​Anyway. Sorry. All of that is so far out of my comfort zone. I'm much more at home writing stupid stuff, or about video games. I just couldn't say nothing.

Normal service will be resumed next week.
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93 Comments
Alan Boyce
17/6/2016 11:15:45 am

Thanks for writing this, Paul. While I don't agree 100% with everything you have said there I too feel that we as a country have sleepwalked into an extremely unpleasant and dangerous political climate and atmosphere.

The language that has been used and normalised as part of this debate - "swarms" of immigrants, a country at "breaking point", talk of an "invasion" of foreigners - has been used to stoke up and exploit people's fears. Our indulgence of 'characters' like Farage and his ilk, the endless hyperbolic headlines from the media on the xenophobic right has led to the normalisation of a type of nasty and fearful politics.

What happened yesterday is undoubtedly a result of all of this. I can't remember an event that has made me feel as sick as I did yesterday. For the first time in my life I am ashamed of where I come from, of what we have allowed ourselves to become.

What's so shocking about this isn't that it is surprising, it's that it's not surprising at all. With our public discourse becoming a cauldron of hate, bigotry, ignorance, grievance, cynicism and division, this act of real world violence is all to easy to believe and comprehend and it's this fact that I find most upsetting.

RIP Jo Cox.

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Kelvin Green link
17/6/2016 11:36:19 am

Don't forget the shameful renaming of "refugees" as "migrants"; it's much easier to deflect sympathy away from them if you erase all that boring stuff about them fleeing a warzone.

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Superbeast 37
17/6/2016 11:45:42 am

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-migrants-syria/21625

Stoo
17/6/2016 11:30:22 am

Great article Mr B. I was a bit unsure on my Brexit vote, ulimately went for Remain, and this has helped remind me I made the right choice.

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Kelvin Green link
17/6/2016 11:34:01 am

Well said Biffster. I was already concerned and then we had the Farage-Geldof boat war, the England fans throwing coins at refugee children in France, and Jo Cox's murder, and now I'm ashamed, disgusted, and furious.

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Dr Kank
17/6/2016 11:40:41 am

I'm pretty conflicted over which way to vote. Choosing a PS4 over an Xbox One was easy in comparison.

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RichardM
17/6/2016 12:26:44 pm

Neither side can definitively answer what will happen if we Brexit. It could be good, bad or unimportant across an endless range of issues: from fishing to bananas to immigration to the value of my house, not to mention local issues relating to border control in Northern Ireland. I can never be adequately informed to make a rational decision... And should probably not vote at all on that basis? But a token gesture at maintaining the status quo by voting remain seems like the only choice that feels right.

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LiamKav
17/6/2016 06:02:02 pm

Just because you vote to Remain now, doesn't make it permanent. Even if the vote was 100% Remain, we could still decide to leave the EU next year, in 5 years, in 10 years. But once we vote Out, that's it. So if anyone is voting out they really have to be sure it's the correct thing to do.

(Even side from all that, I'm voting Remain, for pretty much all the reasons the article states. Leave feels like a vote for small mindedness, rather than an actual strategy for fixing any of society's problems.)

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paul jon mulling
17/6/2016 12:29:46 pm

Similar feelings of dread, helplessness and worry, Mr. Biffo. As you say, I still have a general faith in the baseline decency of people, so even if the world goes even more to shit it might remain bearable on a micro-level.

Best wishes to your mum, also.

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Superbeast 37
17/6/2016 12:37:08 pm

Biffo, I sincerely wish your mother all the best and a speedy recovery but never forget you stole those health workers from poor people who paid to train them whilst we cut our training places because it was cheaper to steal the finished product from poor countries.

Who is caring for their mothers? Where is the morality there?

I'm disappointed at you for exploiting the tragedy yesterday to smear via guilt by association fallacies and make a political point.

I mean you voted Lib Dem. The party of Cyril Smith.

How can I align myself with you when you are aligned with him? Don't you see what nonsense that is?

Don't you see your behaviour is as much a part of the problem as everyone else's?

Unlike the Orlando attack, this mentally ill guy wasnt following the prescribed actions dictated by an ideology in their manifesto.

Britain First (never heard of them before) condemned him and you shouldnt smear half the population and other groups because they promote the same policy but for entirely different reasons.

The mentally ill are often drawn to causes. We've seen animal rights "supporters" commit murders.

We need to differentiate whether the cause promotes such behaviour or not.

A kkk member supports Trump. So? Trump has exceptionally high black support for a Republican too. Perhaps KKK members like his focus on jobs first versus Hillary in the pockets of big global business and bankers? Who knows what we would find if the police conducted detailed background checks into some of your patreons. Wonder what their Internet history would reveal?

Don't stoop mate.

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Stop it
17/6/2016 12:56:14 pm

Please go away X2

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boggissimo
17/6/2016 04:25:02 pm

I thought you were being ironic. You were being ironic, weren't you?

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PeskyFletch
17/6/2016 04:36:10 pm

You've never heard of Britain First? But in previous posts you go on and on about how politically aware you are. In fact i find about 90% of your posts thunderously stupid but normally just ignore them , as the one time i attempted to engage with them you failed to grasp my rather simple point. You also love to state you are a neutral and then display quite breathtaking bias. Take a good long look in the mirror and ask what you actually contribute to the well being of your fellow man. I'd wager it is not a lot.

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Superbeast 37
17/6/2016 10:46:33 pm

No I don't stay abreast of who all the small "far right" (assuming that isn't just BBC/Guardian talk) groups are. Do you? How many seats did Britain First contest at the 2015 GE and how many votes did they receive?

They appear to be more prominent in other regions to my own and I haven't seen them appear prominently in many online debates. I haven't heard the regressive left/social justice warriors bringing them up yet either. Not in the usual locations.

I am neutral but my main priorities are facts and statistics when I can find them. Something the regressive left have a huge problem with.

Hence people shouting "please go away" when someone presents inconvenient truths.


I have no idea what "simple point" you allegedly made in the past but maybe it was a bigoted unsubstantiated fallacy like we see being posted by many people here today?

That you disagree with a post where I point out that it is wrong to exploit a murder to smear innocents and push a political narrative suggests that your attitudes and opinions might be deeply problematic and flawed.

Of course you cannot possible be wrong so if someone points out the error of your ways then they obviously fail to understand the simple point. Is that how it works?

Clockwork Fool
17/6/2016 11:01:42 pm

They seem pretty legitimately Far Right. Least as far as I am aware. They don't seem to have huge reach, but they're very much in the same kind of sub-UKIP bracket with groups like the EDL and so on.

Mostly hear about them when various of my more social conscious friends post stuff about their excesses.

Ganapan
17/6/2016 04:38:00 pm

The associations are not the solely reason to dislike but many times theyre another brick to the wall. And I will not consider my stylist associations the same way I consider how is funded a politic party.
The proanimal murderes will be judged if they committed a crime but all this "rich politics" will have prime time in TV to air shit to the winds.
Where I live we are in a mess like this. There is a major change that seems to interest a lot of people but the angle which media talks about it its one-sided. We only have rich guys with private interests fighting one another smearing all debate possible, even between people with no clear politic affiliation.

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Dirty Barry
17/6/2016 11:47:26 pm

In the interest of balance, I must say: Superbeast37, you are not alone in being disappointed with this article.

It doesn't surprise me that this is a Remain article. However, I do find it very disappointing that the murder of Jo Cook by a mentally ill man has been exploited to smear the Brexit campaign. I suppose the anti-eu Tony Benn was just a Right wing lunatic too. Surely, just because some bad people are anti-eu, it doesn't follow that being anti-eu is intrinsically racist and bad.

It seems to me, very callous that those in creative industries are happy that their lives are just fine as they are - unaffected by the wage crush created by uncontrolled EU immigration.

Those of us in low payed work, seem to be pretty keen on Brexit. I wish to inform everyone that it has nothing to do with psychotic hatred of anyone's skin colour.

By the Remain camp's own figures, wages go up when the population is lower. All I seem to hear from Remain are ad hom attacks on individuals and economic scaremongering.

The EU referendum is not a Left/Right issue, if anything it's a Libertarian/Authoritarian issue. Well worth considering before everyone comes up with interesting points such as: "OMG you're a Daily Mail, Hitler loving, fascist, small minded, ignorant scumbag".

It's difficult to disagree with your heroes, but in this instance I feel compelled to write in, as I see one guy getting bashed for having a similar opinion to mine and don't find it indicative of "fundamental goodness and kindness".



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Doc Strange
21/6/2016 02:21:12 pm

The moment you called Jo Cox 'Jo Cook' literally days after her murder you lost any respect anyone might have for your point of view. The idea you would dare to accuse Biffo of using her death to prove a point when you don't even know her name speaks volumes. Piece of advice, when you decide to argue with someone's well-thought-out opinion it helps if you have half a clue what you are talking about. Otherwise you only succeed in confirming you are too lazy to research even the most basic of facts and leap to opinions based on misdirected gut feelings.

Dirty Barry
21/6/2016 03:49:57 pm

Or it may just have been a slip of the thumb as I am typing this out on a smartphone (with big fat thumbs). Is a typo really all you've got against my argument?

Some joker down there dismisses me as a "thick cunt" just for holding a different view, and I'm disrespectful for misspelling a name?

Stop it
17/6/2016 12:54:52 pm

Please go away

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I despair
17/6/2016 01:05:02 pm

Let's get this right... you're seriously suggesting that voting for or supporting the Lib Dems implies alignment with rapacious paedophilia. That's some truly shameful shit. And horrifically ironic given the tone and content of Biffo's piece above.

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I despair
17/6/2016 01:17:24 pm

Actually, I see reading again that you're not quite arguing that. But then again neither was Biffo. His point was about the general poisoning of the political atmosphere, the deliberate creation of a climate of fear and insecurity of the other (whether ethnic, foreign or political) and the impact that that has on a) the general atmosphere of our country, b) the political process more narrowly; and c) people made susceptible to such horseshit as a consequence of mental illness, chronic alienation or some other such vulnerability. And that too is some shameful shit.

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Superbeast 37
17/6/2016 01:28:22 pm

No.

Biffo quite clearly used a shameful guilt by association fallacy.

X supports Y therefore anyone associating with Y is wrong.

Totally unacceptable in the circumstances. Well, unacceptable under any circumstances in my opinion.

I'm not talking about his reference to fear mongering and hyperbole that sadly are a part of political debate these days (because they are effective) and there is nothing you can do about it.

I don't like it but aside from canceling democracy that's how it is. It may be that in this instance the scaremongering backfired on one side so perhaps future strategies will be different as lessons are learned.

Beedle
17/6/2016 01:21:56 pm

Just a quick legal tip. You really should say "alleged" when mentioning a name in connection to Jo Cox's killer.

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Euphemia
17/6/2016 01:28:52 pm

I left the UK about 10 years ago, but watching what's happened since then has been shaming, especially through the eyes of those around me who feign an interest from time to time. The brexit nonsense is as mired in racism and small-mindedness as the Trump rallies in the US, and just as sickening.

Things will only get worse, with this upward spiral into rhetoric, blame, disenfranchisement and division and an environment that's getting closer to collapse by the year.

Cooler heads need to prevail, but that's hard over the sheer noise of the bigots.

What I meant to say was "nice article, sir" but seem to have got on my soapbox a bit.

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Megalothorn
17/6/2016 01:45:30 pm

There would be a special place reserved on Speak You're Branes for Superbeast 37 if it were still running...

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Archibald Finsbury link
17/6/2016 09:24:17 pm

Being reminded of SYB has brought a well tasty grin to my chops, thank you sir!

Also Biffo I am entirely "with" you on this.

Superbeast 37
17/6/2016 02:14:27 pm

Classic Regressive Left.

When faced with inconvenient truths about their own bigoted attitudes do they:

A, reconsider said attitudes

B, block out inconvenient truths because narrative > basic human decency.

I've seen enough over the past five years to know the answer to that one.

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Mark Zuckerberg
17/6/2016 02:23:47 pm

Nah, I was just having a laugh.

PeskyFletch
17/6/2016 04:41:53 pm

You calling someone else bigoted? RRRRiiiiigggghhhhht.
And didn't you previously describe yourself as a traditional leftist yourself at one point? Admittedly that was only so you could doggardly play the "i'm not biased" card but try and have some consistency.

Nah
17/6/2016 04:49:11 pm

"Regressive left", the mating call of the Breitbart reading jelly brain

ChorltonWheelie
20/6/2016 10:43:41 pm

So as well as being a massive cunt your now an apologist for the Nazi's of Britain First?
Absolute wankstain of a man.

Wadaload
17/6/2016 01:41:15 pm

I think that people should try reading this article as an opinion piece (as I suspect it was intended) rather than absolute moral guidance.

As for me, I preferred the more esoteric(?) article about Trumpton towers

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lilock3
17/6/2016 03:13:20 pm

Mr B, have you not hear of "Lexit". It's the socialist campaign to exit the EU. Those of us on the left have our own, very different reasons for wanting to leave the EU, including forming closer ties with China. Socialist countries are on the rise to become the new superpowers, whereas capitalist countries are on the decline (and no amount of right-wing Trumping can make America great again...).

There's info on the Communist Party of Britain's website: http://www.communist-party.org.uk/britain/eu/2257-morning-star-left-wants-out-for-right-reasons.html

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Lunatic
17/6/2016 04:38:47 pm

Call me a lunatic if you want, but China is not socialist. It's an oligarchic dictatorship - the party knows what's best, and if you promote any other view you rapidly end up in trouble with the authorities. There's no way I'd want closer links with China.

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Clockwork Fool
17/6/2016 04:54:22 pm

They're a fascinating country and probably demonized unfairly at times, but I have to agree.

I'd be wary about closer ties with China.

lilock3
17/6/2016 06:15:46 pm

You're right that China has serious problems, and in no way am I suggesting that they be used as a model for the UK. I'm a firm believer in democracy, and believe our democratic system is one of the many things we have got largely right in the Britain. There is no reason why a democratic political system can't be combined with a socialist economy, unfortunately China and Russia have done a lot to damage the perception of socialist economies because of their political failings.

Whether we like it or not, the capitalist economies have been struggling over the last decade, whilst socialist countries are gaining power. For me it's a case of recognising which way the wind is blowing, and so I think we need the freedom to make closer trade connections with China.

Picston Shottle
17/6/2016 03:14:17 pm

Superbeast, I think, is a Daily Mail/mailonline bot.

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Superbeast 37
17/6/2016 05:31:52 pm

I don't think it is acceptable to score political points off the murder of someone's mother by using the actions of someone with mental health issues as a stick to beat innocent people who categorically condemn the act and who whilst supporting the same policies do so for entirely different reasons.

I understand it is in desperation as the people making that argument are down in the polls but there is a line that you do not cross and it has been crossed multiple times in the past 24 hours.

If viewing the people who do that with utter disgust and contempt makes me a "Daily Mail bot" then I accept that title with pride.

Somehow though I suspect the Daily Mail is more aligned with the behaviours of other people on this blog albeit they do it over different issues.

"Look at this person who had 10 kids on benefits, all people on benefits are lazy and taking the taxpayer for a ride".

"Look at this guy who shot an MP, this is why we don't support brexit because those people are associated with him".

Daily Mail and Guardian right there.

Two sides of the same filthy coin. On the plus side the Guardian took a savage beating from their own readers in their comments section for pulling that gutter stunt. Even their censor happy moderators couldn't keep a lid on it and had to lock the comments. There is still hope and many that still understand decency.

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Wicked Eric
17/6/2016 06:23:27 pm

Nope. It's you who is the disgrace here.

Your're trying to depoliticise the killing of a pro-immigrant, pro-refugee MP by a man with connections to the far right going back to the arly 80s, a subscriber to a number of neo fascist magazines and who shouted far right slogans as he commited the killing. All of this in the context of a referendum campaign where the primary issue is one of immigration.

The evidence right now points to this being a political assassination by the british far right. Denying this is far more political than accepting it for what it so clearly is.


Superbeast 37
17/6/2016 09:29:39 pm

So you are claiming this mentally ill guy was working for the far right and carried this out as an officially sanctioned political assassination?

You have evidence of these far right supremacist groups in the US and this Britain First group orchestrating this?

I just Googled Britain First (never heard of them before yesterday) and read their mission statement and section on racism. I see nothing there encouraging attacks on anyone, in fact it says "Britain First condemns racism wholeheartedly" and they welcome membership from British ethnic minorities.

They also have a video statement on the attacks which was very clear and an interesting contrast to some of the disgusting far left posts on this blog. Far more calm, reasoned, concerned and empathetic than the type of statements you are coming out with.

You are also trying to associate this one guy and what appear to be innocent UK groups that measure in the hundreds with the motives of the *majority* (according to the latest polls) of voters who want to leave the EU because of legitimate concerns over uncontrolled migration?

Tens of millions of people.

Yet the Far Right is so popular in the UK and racism so prevalent that the BNP was classified as having a whopping 0.0% of the vote in the 2015 election, had half the votes of the Monster Raving Loony party and a fifth of the votes of the pro cannabis party?!

Your logic makes about as much sense as the Chewbacca Defence.

What a joke. Well if only it was a joke eh. That would be sick but not as sick as what you are doing.

You are just a vile person who is using someone's dead mother as a political tool because the opinion polls aren't going your way.

Utterly odious and sickening. Not a shred of humanity.

Wicked Eric
18/6/2016 01:02:21 am

I'm claiming that this was a politically motivated killing carried out by a member of the british far right and that the target was a pro immigration and pro refugee member of parlament.

I'm making this claim because all the evidence points to this being the case.

Is this the best you can do? Defending a grubby fascist group like Britian first? It is pathetic. Since you're apparantly so proud of your ignorance of the group why dont you do a bit of research and find out who exactly it is whose honour you are defending?

And you have the cheek to call me a vile person? Urgh. I'm out. Don't expect me to ever dignify you with a reponse on here ever again.

Wicked Eric
18/6/2016 01:09:41 am

By the way, I have no beef with Bexit supporters. Brexit away for all I care. I'd hate for your netflix to get regulated. I don't think Brexit support = racism. No one here has said that, so disavow yourself of the notion, you loon.

Superbeast 37
18/6/2016 12:40:54 pm

Defending a grubby fascist group? More strawman fallacies I see. Typical regressive left tactic. More interested in smearing those that disagree with you than you are in the personal tragedy that hit that poor woman's family.

You decided to stoop to the depths of depravity by using a murder as a political football. It is unforgivable.

You took it upon yourself to claim that this was a far right political attack with the clear implication that the far right orchestrated it as opposed to one lone sick person who happened to latch onto that insignificant joke of a movement.

It could (and **HAS** been in the past) just as easily have been animal rights, environmentalism or pro-life that he latched on to. You and Biffo tried to link that with the current referendum and millions of innocent people who support brexit.


I Googled election results and demonstrated that the far right in the UK are a laughing stock in the eyes of the public with 0.0% supporting the BNP at the last election. I then Googled the group supposedly linked with the perpetrator and factually reported the statements on their page.

I observed that on top of categorically condemning the attack they at least showed a shred of humanity and empathy towards the victim and her family where as you showed barely any.

Did I defend a grubby fascist group? No. I merely pointed out that they demonstrated an ounce more humanity over this issue than you have. Evidence for that is in a publicly available video and your own written statements. It is there in black and white. I view the far right with the same level of contempt as the far left people that post on this blog.

Currently the police have said that they believe he was acting alone and aren't seeking anyone else.

The guy sought mental health treatment the night before the killing but was told to come back the next day.

The MP herself had raised the issue of poor mental health services in the area.

It is the same old story when it comes to non-religious murders on both sides of the Atlantic. Poor mental health care and the Left trying to pin it on just about everything else for their own gain.

Sickening and depraved.

combat_honey
22/6/2016 10:30:58 am

I know I'm a bit late with this, but can I just chime in with my opinion here? My opinion is this: fuck you and everything you stand for. Also, some advice: terms like 'regressive left' are, to most sensible people, huge fucking red flags that mark you out as a moronic idealogue who is not worth talking to.

SweetMrGibs
17/6/2016 04:23:12 pm

It has been shown that the majority of British people are wildly wrong when it comes to perceived immigration levels, benefit claimants and a whole raft of other things. The other cliché is how much money we give to Brussels. So what? How much do we get back from them in funding, trade benefits, freedom of movement and various other human and workers rights. Yes Europe is deeply flawed and corruption is rife but how much worse will things be when we pull out? Less funding, less trade, no voice at the table to try and make things better, or at least mitigate the worst, a hugely weakened currency, new border controls with Ireland, almost certain secession of Scotland, increased racism, xenophobia and feverish nationalism. And there will be the inevitable drift towards the US and its cowboy Neoliberalism (far and away the main reason for most of the problems we have).

But this infantilised, politically ignorant nation is being told to blame immigrants instead. This is a disaster in the making and will make every problem - both real and imagined - much worse. This whole Brexit movement is the creation of an eccentric fringe group of small minded Little Englanders who lie, distort and whip up fears through the mouthpieces of the Murdoch press. Watching some of the vox pops on the news makes me cringe: "There's no jobs" , "there are too many immigrants taking our jobs", "I want my country back", "We give too much money to Europe". Walking talking UKIP posters, impervious to contrary evidence and rational thought. Yes communities have huge social and economic problems but to blame immigration on the wholesale loss of local industry is absurd and dangerous. 35 years of global Neoliberal economic terrorism has done that. And once again the real perpetrators walk free while setting us at each others' throats. To quote Gary Younge:

Herein lies the most obscene perversion of this turn in the Brexit campaign. The very people who are slashing resources – the Tory right – and diverting what’s left to the wealthy are the ones rallying the poor by blaming migrants for the lack of resources. Not content with urinating on our leg and telling us it’s raining, they have found someone to blame for the weather.

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Ms Anne Thrope
17/6/2016 04:56:08 pm

The above is entirely correct. I believe anyone who fails to notice the the underlying agenda of this maybe carrying us all to somewhere far worse than we are now.

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Unspokentruth
17/6/2016 05:43:19 pm

So the answer is simply to sacrifice an established democracy to an unelected, unaccountable EU dictatorship?

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Kelvin Green link
17/6/2016 06:06:28 pm

That's the unelected EU dictatorship that we elect through votes every five years, is it?

unspokentruth
17/6/2016 06:45:43 pm

For reasons unexplained I cannot reply directly to Kelvin Green. The answer is that the Euro MPs we 'elect every five years' have no actual powers. The laws made by the EU are created and passed by an unelected, unaccountable cadre. In 72 out of 72 cases where Britain has contested EU legislation it has lost.

Kelvin Green link
17/6/2016 07:16:05 pm

Who is this cadre?

Is it the Council of the EU? The Council is made up of representatives from each member state, sent by the governments that we elect.

Is it the European Commission? Again, the members of the commission are appointed by the governments that we elect.

Or do you mean the President? That position is elected by the members of the Parliament.

The Commission proposes legislation, which then must be passed by the Council and the Parliament.

I don't see where this unelected dictatorship exists.

unspokentruth
17/6/2016 07:21:28 pm

None so blind as shall not see

Clockwork Fool
17/6/2016 11:05:11 pm

Unspokentruth - I think it's the indentation. You can only directly reply up to a certain number of iterations. So you can reply to the reply of a reply, but not to some number beyond that.

Far as I see.

John
24/6/2016 09:56:02 am

Crazy stuff. Almost everything, policy-wise, is decided in the EU by co-decision; EU parliament and commission have an equal say. Even the commission's ability to set the agenda isn't the power it used to be.

Superbeast 37
17/6/2016 05:44:20 pm

The reason why many over-estimate immigration is because the immigration has disproportionately hit their communities and local services.

Yes the data for the country as a whole might show a far smaller increase but their specific locales have experienced a far higher percentage.

The wealthier the area, the more expensive the houses the fewer new arrivals will move there and the fewer people you will have to share local services like GP's and Schools with. Those people aren't competing for the same homes or jobs either etc.

Many under-estimate the figures, many over-estimate. Both are correct because they are merely describing the accurate state of their own communities. Saying "well if we average it out across the country it is lower" doesn't help those who are overburdened.

If you go to my GP surgery you will see the same number of GP's that we had in the late 70's. Our GP's are all English with no migrant staff and none of these Eastern European GP's that the BBC always wheel on when they report on migration.

Yet you now have to wait a month for a non-urgent appointment (i.e. no fever etc) where as it used to be a few days. When arriving for your appointment you are sat there for 90 minutes after your allotted appointment time in a bursting to the seams waiting room that resembles a meeting of the United Nations with dignitaries from every country.

None of those people were there prior to the mid-00's. A large number of people moved here with no corresponding increase in provision of houses or services. There have been 10 years to do something and all three parties have been in power during that time. All have failed.

This isn't Murdoch stirring up lies, you can come here and see it for yourself with your own eyes.

Are the voters in my constituency to believe that will be rectified in the next 10 years if we remain?

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Dr Kank
17/6/2016 05:50:13 pm

You have a point there. It's generally the most deprived areas in the UK that receive the most refugees and asylum seekers. Middlesbrough, Liverpool and Glasgow in particular. The more affluent, middle class regions in the south are barely affected.

Dirty Barry
18/6/2016 12:14:47 am

It is exactly the same all over the country. We can virtue-signal all day about how wonderful diversity is, but you can't fit eight pounds of shit in a six pound bag.

ChorltonWheelie
20/6/2016 10:48:02 pm

No, swinging Tory cuts to local services hurt people. Thick cunts like you point at immigrants for them.

Dirty Barry
21/6/2016 01:56:11 am

I'd just like to thank "ChorltonWheelie" for his considered and compassionate reply.

I suppose I am rather similar to the body part you have compared me to. I have more depth than initially apparent, a lot of warmth and I'm very sexy.

Isn't it wonderful there are such polite, good natured people out there like ChorltonWheelie? Always ready to take time out of their day to set us straight regarding our political beliefs.

Mr Biffo
17/6/2016 04:25:15 pm

Thanks for all the solid words, everyone. Wasn't sure how this piece would be received, so... yeah. Genuine thanks.

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Paulvw
17/6/2016 04:31:26 pm

I'm starting to feel very uncomfortable about people seeking advantage from dehumanising other human beings and whipping people up about self determination. It all seems horribly familiar.

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Darren link
17/6/2016 04:40:54 pm

And thanks to all of this, if you actually don't believe in the European Union or thought we were conned when we signed up for the "Common Market" back in the 1970s, you are automatically labelled a racist and a bigot.

I am a leftie - a socialist, if you will. I have voted Labour all my life and remember when the Trade Unions and Labour saw the EU in negative terms. The same way the Scottish Nationalist want to be free of Westminster, I want us to be free of the European Union. My reasons are manifold. I fear a future when we'll be the Federal States of Europe and I am ashamed at what the EU did to Greece.

However, I am deeply shocked by the murder of Jo Cox and how everyone seems to be scoring political points out of this terrible crime. It appears that no-one has any shame anymore. It's a game of brinksmanship and it leaves me sick to my stomach.

And for that reason, I am declaring myself apolitical. I want no part of this disgusting game. I won't be voting anymore.

It won't change anything. It never does. If voting had any effect whatsoever, they wouldn't let us do it.

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Clockwork Fool
17/6/2016 05:00:47 pm

This is one of the main reasons Trump is doing so well over there, in a convenient nutshell. Not any hyperbolic nonsense about white supremacy or xenophobia.

You have a candidate rejected by the establishment of his own party, rejected by the mainstream media and who has a reputation for being unvarnished. (Stained orange and thatched like a cottage, but unvarnished).

That appeals to a lot of people who feel disillusioned by the political process. It's also a large part of why Bernie Sanders did as well as he did, despite openly being a socialist.

It's a fascinating situation, really.

The murder of Jo Cox is (in comparison) simply a senseless act of pointless brutality. From what I've been able to follow, there is very little verified information out there and a lot of people abusing the situation to try and spin their own narratives. It'd be pretty depressing if I wasn't already sufficiently jaded and detached from it all.

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Dr Kank
17/6/2016 05:39:46 pm

I'm tempted to vote Leave just to see how the government will try to weasel their way out of honouring the referendum if they don't get the result they want.

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Superbeast 37
17/6/2016 05:49:32 pm

There is no "leave" option. The EU makes you vote again until you get it right.

Cameron stated "there will be no second vote" so he will be forced to resign along with Boy George. Those two are finished.

Whoever takes over (even Boris/Gove, but more likely Theresa May) will negotiate revised terms with the EU and a second vote will take place with remain winning.

There are two options in the referendum:

1, accept the current deal where the EU laughed and offered jack because they favoured playing the odds that were 55% for remain at the time.

2, renegotiate a better deal with much needed wide reforms and an increase in democracy within the EU.

There will be no leave. If you really want to leave then vote to remain in an unreformed EU. It will drag itself down eventually if it doesn't change.

Clockwork Fool
17/6/2016 05:59:08 pm

Superbeast 37 - Can't reply directly to your response here, so hopefully this lands close enough.

I can see why you might think that, but I'm not sure I agree. I think that if we see a leave victory, we're going to see the country leave. Not that instant perhaps, but within a very short period of time. I don't think the establishment has anything like the control or competency to successfully climb down from that result.

I also think that Cameron is pretty much done either way. Either he loses and is forced out because of that, or he wins and his in-party foes will be out for his blood all the more because of it.

I suspect we'll find out soon enough though.

Richard
17/6/2016 05:49:30 pm

Entirely agree with you on this - being anti-EU doesn't axiomically imply racist biggotry. Applying labels such as 'little Englander' wholesale to millions of people - somewhat ironic...

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Dr Kank
17/6/2016 05:53:16 pm

It's also strange when you consider countries like Norway that won't join the EU - are the Norwegians all racist?

Stoo
17/6/2016 07:10:30 pm

Mind you Norway also still has a level of economic integration and freedom of movement, with Europe, that most Brexiters would not be happy with.

MakeYoursAnInformedDecision link
17/6/2016 06:57:28 pm

It's every voter's duty to make an informed decision before casting their ballot. Even the most staunch Leave supporter should avail themselves of as much pro-Remain documentation as possible.

The corollary advice being, of course, that all pro-Remain supporters should do likewise; for example, watch brexitthemovie.com. It may enrage, it may enlighten; either way it deserves to be watched.

This decision is too important to be left to gut feelings and reactionary responses.

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TheExcession
17/6/2016 08:49:13 pm

Pretty much how I feel myself about the state of the world at the moment. An excellent piece. You are a fine and gentle soul, Mr Biffo. I salute you.

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Richard Luncheon voucher
17/6/2016 09:18:37 pm

Paul, you put your feelings out there for all to see and that's a pretty brave. Very similar to my own feelings. I'm a working class Londoner and the attitude of the majority of my friends and peers truly chills me to the bone, my own father too! Worrying times. Good work

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Nick the Gent link
17/6/2016 09:40:59 pm

Well said, Mr. Biffo. You've out-Biffed yourself this time.

It's an angry world out there, and I don't see the anger subsiding anytime soon. All politics is perception, and right now the perception is that certain groups are to be blamed for all of society's problems. Again, you see this thinking in the Trump approach.

If Brexit happens, and yet wages remain stagnant, the economy continues to flag, and the stock markets take a tumble, who is to be blamed then?

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David W
18/6/2016 06:57:32 pm

Well, if Brexit happens, then something goes wrong, the opportunists on that side may not be in power for long. No support from those who voted Remain, and I suspect most Leave voters would like to knock the bandwagon-jumpers off at the first opportunity.

Though whatever the decision, it will probably get blamed for everything that goes wrong afterwards.

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Alice Fever
17/6/2016 10:22:42 pm

Wise words, just try a little bit of love people

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Si
17/6/2016 11:00:28 pm

Thank you for writing this, Mr Biffo. I moved to the US about six months ago and it's been pretty wrenching seeing how much more ugly things are getting back home just in that time. It's good to hear a compassionate voice.

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Penyrolewen
17/6/2016 11:48:28 pm

Hope your mum gets better Biffo. Good vibes coming her way (and yours).
I, like lots of you on here, find what's happening here and in the States very worrying. You heard of the Overton window? Apologies to those that have but it's a concept that seems pretty relevant right now.

The Overton window shows political ideas that are thought feasible right now. Politicians need to work within what it shows or the population won't accept what they do. The window moves (or is moved) over time. Even Thatcher didn't dare privatise the post office - too far outside the window at the time.

Trump and Farage have moved the window so far right (through their madness becoming mainstream) that ideas once thought centre ground now seem far left. What was once thought left wing is now 'crazy commie' thinking.
Like Biffo, I have no political allegiance. Like Biffo, I have voted Lib Dem- because I wanted to keep a 3 party system. A 2 party system becomes dangerously polarised very quickly and a third option seemed essential to me. Clegg pissed all over that bonfire though.

Now, Corbyn is portrayed as a mad, beardy, monarchy hating Lenin lover while Trump is seen by many as a valid choice. How the Jackanory did that happen?

I dunno where I'm going with this really, bet Superbeast is gonna be all over it but it just seems to me that a world of Jo Coxs (never heard of her before she was killed) would be nicer than a world of Trumps and Farages.
Peace y'all

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John Pickford
18/6/2016 12:20:35 am

Well said Paul. A refreshing, honest read compared to so much loaded crap being put out at the moment.

Also I agree 100%

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Keith
18/6/2016 11:12:24 am

The guy in question gave his name in court as "death to traitors, freedom for Britain"

There may well be mental health issues there, but it's now clear that there is extreme right wing ideology at the heart of this, and that the context can't be ignored.

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Wicked Eric
18/6/2016 12:44:52 pm

+1

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Paul Jon Mulling
18/6/2016 02:02:36 pm

+2

Clockwork Fool
20/6/2016 12:53:22 am

It is pretty hard to argue against him being both far right and off his rocker in the wake of that particular incident, aye.

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Rakladtor III The Terrible
21/6/2016 11:38:32 am

-3

The teenager who wished to assassinate Trump in Vegas may well have mental health issues, but it's now clear that there is extreme left wing ideology at the heart of this, and that the context can't be ignored.

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Rakladtor III The Terrible
21/6/2016 11:41:33 am

I lean further left btw. But I'm not liberal towards a weak argument.

Clockwork Fool
21/6/2016 11:02:43 pm

When you look at the strength of the rhetoric used by the media and sections of the left to attack Donald Trump, the sheer hysterical hyperbole of some of it...

There's something to be said for this argument, even if you meant it satirically. I mean, this is a man who JK Rowling described as being more evil than Voldemort.

That line of thinking, that this particular candidate is actually legitimately evil is not a point of view that's hard to find repeated on the internet right now. Likewise across the rest of the media. That's the same kind of rhetorical climate, of creating the impression of a tangible, actively malicious evil about a someone risks inspiring exactly these kinds of lunatics into action, galvanised by the idea that they are making a personal sacrifice in the name of the greater good.

In situations like this, if that's the mechanic underlying these two cases it's likely an unintentional side-effect of larger issues, but it's fundamentally the same technique used deliberately by a lot of much less scrupulous groups than say, Eurosceptics or the Republican Party.

Whatever else is the case though, it does seem lately that we're rather sitting on a powder keg.

Scott C
18/6/2016 12:53:25 pm

I know only a few people of my generation and background who are voting for Brexit, and sadly, most of them are people who messed about in school or were simply lazy. Most of them have poorly paid jobs, or sporadic work from time to time, and are not very happy. For them it is much easier to blame their lives on the immigrants "taking their jobs away". Personally as someone who worked hard throughout school and in my career, I resent the fact that those lazy/trouble causing kids could now be the ones that drive an economic collapse. And, let's not forget the slightly racist older generation, who seem to have forgotten how great a Europe at peace is. The fact is that unhappy, mentally ill, angry people are more likely to align with a Brexit viewpoint because it is easier to blame someone else than to take responsibility for one's own outcome in life.

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Dirty Barry
18/6/2016 02:57:53 pm

I find your point of view really interesting. Do you think these lazy individuals you speak of deserve to be unhappy/underemployed/unemployed indefinitely, simply because they messed about in school or didn't do well academically?

There used to be apprenticeships for these 'slackers' to go into. Now companies can hire ready-trained workers from other countries and disregard people who are already here.

Although this may not make a difference to your quality of life, do you think this is just and healthy for society?

Is a disenfranchised white working class a worthwhile price to pay for higher overall GDP?

Does population density impact quality of life, every bit as much as GDP?

Food for thought.

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Scott C
19/6/2016 11:29:27 am

Valid points Barry. One of the problems that we have in our society is "entitlement". One can argue that such entitlement goes away if we stop supporting people who are lazy. Whether doing that is moral as part of civilisation is another issue (where does survival of the fittest end?). People feel entitled to a good quality of life even if they don't do anything to earn such entitlement (provided that they are fit and able to, of course). I am pretty certain that if I lost my job tomorrow, I'd find work within a week, or failing that make my own work by starting an eBay business from the ground up; I certainly wouldn't held back from doing that by all the bloody immigrants, or the EU. I'm from a working class background, and was the first on either side of my family to go to university, and I am now an academic. I'm firmly of the view that if you want something, then you can work for it. I'd class my political views as being socially liberal, but economically conservative; no party out there really represents my views so I have voted yellow, red and blue (anything to oppose the SNP or UKIP).

Dirty Barry
21/6/2016 01:38:56 am

Hey Scott, because of the weird way this comments section works, I have to reply here - hope it ends up in the right place.

To be honest, I would class what you have said as pretty far Right wing. Wanting to reduce the welfare state, along with a strong belief in self determination and freemarket economics where labour is concerned. The only thing lacking is the nationalist side of the Right. Overall though, politically, you're to the right of the Tory party.

I've become convinced that Brexit is not really a Left/Right issue, although it is being framed that way.

Anyway, thanks for your reply. I disagree that entitlement is a problem, because surely those whose families have payed into a country's "system" for generations have more right to jobs and resources than people from other countries who have not payed into the system?

Here's the trigger bomb: I'd also argue (as would many empirical studies) that the diversity resulting from uncontrolled immigration results in low trust societies, low social cohesion and economic deprivation - mainly negative stuff overall.

Anyway, best of luck, whatever you decide.

Cheesy Chimp
18/6/2016 05:14:38 pm

I remember when I stopped following somegreybloke when he went all political. A great shame.

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Blake
19/6/2016 06:29:45 pm

You know Biffs, I do come here for either fun, or a confirmation of my views, since they very much align with yours (those you've presented on here anyway). And of course the video games, yeah, those things too, whatever they are.

What scares me is the people you mentioned, the vulnerable ones, whose radical bearings are set by the first man in power they hear speaking, they'll mostly ignore reason, for the same reason they listen to the powerful man in the first place.

Is the only way to help it really being the first one to be heard by them? Because if it is, the world suddenly feels like it's going to become a much darker place.

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Harumph
19/6/2016 10:23:02 pm

Jesus, battling that f*cker Dragonslayer Armour in Dark Souls 3 for the 20th time is more enjoyable than reading all this.

Can't we just have more shitting babies/Donald Trump and have done with it?

Also, a murder committed by a mental really isn't worthy of political debate, let alone on a "gaming" website. By the sound of it, he would've happily killed anyone who got in his path that day, MP or no MP.

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