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MR BIFFO'S YOUTUBE DRAMA SCHOOL: A RECAP OF The Yogscast SITUATION

5/11/2019

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I can't be arsed with drama, and last night some of you will be aware that I found myself in the middle of a load of it.

Basically, here's what happened: a couple of days ago, the folk on Yogscast did a live stream in which one of them, Simon, chose to portray that absurd new Digitiser character Beanus. They're a huge network - Digi is dwarfed by their millions of viewers - and I found it flattering.

I sort of wrongly assumed they'd give ample shout-outs to the original source of Beanus. And they kind of did mention me a couple of times in the two-and-a-half-hour stream, albeit in a sort of bare minimum, throwaway fashion, I felt.

Certainly throwaway next to the presence of Simon-dressed-as-Beanus throughout the entire stream, during which his stupid catchphrases and characterisation were used wholesale, including during a moment where he was involved in a nod to their sponsor. Which I'd never have agreed to. 

Regrettably, I'd not been contacted about any of it beforehand. The first I knew is when people on Twitter told me about it. 

Bouphe, a fan of Digi, general good egg, and part of the Yogscast team, kindly posted links back to Digi in the chat, but when the Twitch stream was uploaded - probably automatically - in its entirety to YouTube, there was no link to the Digi YouTube channel or... anything.

It felt... I dunno... kind of unfair? Not least because - judging from comments - a lot of their fans had seemed to have missed the whole "Beanus is the intellectual property of Mr Biffo" comments, and took it as given that he was their character. 

I tweeted at Simon and Yogscast to give us a link and maybe retweet our original video... which Simon did, after Bouphe got involved (though he'd already linked to our new Beanus merch on Redbubble, for which I'm grateful). They've also belatedly added a link to Digi's original video, which I appreciate, albeit with the disclaimer that Simon had just dressed up as the character "For Halloween".

Yet it was the fact that fans were thinking Beanus was theirs which sort of pissed me off. And the more I thought about it, the more pissed off I felt. 
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STUPID AND CRAP
Thing is, I didn't want to be pissed off. Beanus is stupid, and crap - that's the entire joke - and it seemed daft to me to get precious over something so ridiculous. I wasn't expecting it to take off like it has (though now that he isn't going to be just a one-and-done joke I'm going to have to slightly alter his look away from the original off-the-shelf mask). 

Yet it has been brilliant the way people have embraced this fundamentally terrible character, creating fan art, songs, games... dressing up as him, and the like. The last couple of weeks have been hilarious. Yet this - coming from such a major channel - seemed initially in a different league, if only on a what-is-decent-and-right level (before you even get into any sort of legal ramifications).

It's a struggle to get recognition on YouTube at the best of times, and our shift away from gaming saw us really struggle for a while before subs started creeping up again. You need to leverage every opportunity and tool at your disposal; if people are responding to Beanus then you can be sure we'll ride that wave until it breaks.

When I saw Yogscast using Beanus I was pleased initially... as I felt it was going to be an opportunity to eke out, potentially, some extra views. Unfortunately, it became apparent that this clearly wasn't going to happen.

In fact, sort of the opposite had happened: a stupid character we'd created was, to all intents and purposes, being seen as theirs, with only the most cursory, easy-to-miss, credit to me (and not even the channel). I wouldn't have cared had they given us a link in the first instance, without me needing to get on my high horse about it. 

To stem the tide of Yogscast viewers being unaware that Beanus was mine, and hoping to drive some traffic our way, I asked on Twitter for people to leave a comment on the video. And they did, in droves, because the Digi community is awesome and crazily supportive. 

It has had the desired effect on one level - our subscribers really shot up overnight, which I hadn't anticipated - yet on another level, there was the predictable backlash from the Yogscast fanbase. You can imagine the sorts of tiresome messages I woke up to. 

For the record, I know no ill will was intended. It was just poorly considered, and clearly Simon is a fan if he chose to dress as Beanus. It just felt they could've done a little more given that we are - relatively speaking - small fry compared to them. I mean, just a bit of contact beforehand would've changed everything.

I've really appreciated the likes of heavyweight 'Tubers like Jim Sterling really getting behind Digi by retweeting our videos - it makes all the difference when you're kind of up-and-coming/a washed-up 90s games journalist - and I guess I assumed Yogscast were intending to do the same. 
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HATRED
Here's the thing, though... I hate being involved in situations like this. I mean, I'll protect what's mine to my dying breath, as should everyone - whether they've had footage from their videos, or their music, used without permission or whatever - but I'll also choose my fights.

Like many, I kind of abhor conflict, but that in itself kind of butts up against me also hating injustice, especially when there's a perceived power imbalance. 

Ultimately, though, I'll usually get to a point where I'm asking "Does it really matter?", and normally conclude that it doesn't. Most things online get forgotten about after a few days, and most things I'll let slide these days. Everyone moves onto the next round of gossip soon enough, as will be the case here.

Unless, y'know, they're some weird myopic obsessive with multiple sock puppet accounts...

I mostly despair at the drama that sometimes goes on in fandoms, people bickering and sniping over situations that are just so meaningless in the grand, universal, scheme. I find it profoundly wearying. Heck, I'm sometimes envious that the sorts of spats people have if all that's all they've got to worry about in life. 

That's no slight to anybody that feels aggrieved ever, but I've got - I hope - a healthy firebreak between what happens online and what happens in the real world. Thus, I try to stay out of all of it, for the most part.

I so didn't want to get protective over this, I didn't want to create a whole thing, or conflict between Digi's audience and The Yogscast audience, but nonetheless something did bubble up inside me that led me to feeling proprietorial. Sometimes you can't help feeling what you feel. 

It happened a bit with Goujon John, when lots of people started using Voiceover Peter in their own videos. There wasn't really much I could do about it because in that instance he wasn't saying he was Goujon John. It was more like having a cool toy I'd found snatched away from me, and the other kids were using it to play the game I'd come up with. The Beanus situation did feel different... but I was still annoyed that I let it affect me.

​I guess it was about the context and what feels appropriate.

While obviously we want as many pairs of eyes as possible on what we do, the primary goal of the Digi channel is that it's meant to be a bit of fun. I've got a career elsewhere already, but I do love that - from time to time - being Mr Biffo lets me flex my creative muscles in a different sort of way to my day job. The more people who are on board with that, the more I can, potentially, create. 

I mean, next year I really want to run a campaign to fund a new series in the spirit of Mr Biffo's Found Footage, and I'm going to need the community to get behind me as much as possible. 
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RIGHT AND FAIR
Anyway... what am I trying to say here? I guess that, while I'm still kind of annoyed that this happened, I'm letting it go because I've got no ill-will or axe to grind with Yogscast or their fans. Even the ones who called me names. I'm mean, responding to any of that would be like picking a fight with the village idiot.

While it's often fun to toy with the small-minded, as I do sometimes in the Digi comments, I honestly can't be bothered at the moment. Again, I don't want the drama, and I am old and I am tired.

Yogscast has rectified the situation as much as they can by giving a link, rather than digging their heels in, so hats off to them for that. And thank you to Bouphe for being so gracious in sorting it out.

We're all playing online, we're all part of the wider community, and we should all be helping one another, whether we're big, or small, or somewhere in the middle. We shouldn't be trying to undermine each other. We should all be enjoying playing in the playground together, not snatching toys off the other kids. But equally, it's okay to share them if we want to. And if somebody doesn't want to share their toys... then tough. Get your own toys. 

Most importantly, it's vital to understand what is fair use and what isn't. I'm fortunate in that I did a couple of courses on copyright law back in my journo days, but exercising some common sense goes a long way. If you're unsure... just ask.

If you're ever going to be using things that other people have created, it's only right and fair that they get appropriate credit. Ideally, you'd approach them in the first place, if only to cover your own back. 

Better still... y'know... just come up with your own, completely original, ideas. Trust me: it'll make you feel a whole lot better about yourself.
66 Comments
Steven Nash
5/11/2019 12:46:19 pm

Beanus is another work of bloody genius good sir! And you're completely correct for wanting the appropriate acknowledgement/shout out without needing to push people into doing what their own basic sense of fair play should prompt them into doing already.

Look forward to seeing whatever you do with the character.

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Jason
12/11/2019 04:22:35 pm

What on earth are you complaining about you have no authority over anyone dressing up as a character you made. You reek of entitlement

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Darren link
5/11/2019 12:51:50 pm

All they needed to do was give fair credit or a link to your YouTube channel. In the past, I've had people use my music and I've written little bits of music for nothing on the proviso that they credit me. That all you ask. And if they don't then, yes, protect what is yours.

If you like stupid music reviews in the Prog Rock genre, please head over to www.youtube.com/progreview because after 10million views and 20,000 subs, I've had to start again thanks to YouTube's awful system. Cheers!

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dave p
5/11/2019 12:57:46 pm

Fat Sow is a much better character that needs far more exposure :P

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Pete Davison link
5/11/2019 05:29:01 pm

Found Eli.

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Wapojif
5/11/2019 12:58:53 pm

BBBEAAANNNNSSS!!!!!!

Eelis K is one of those annoying online sorts who qualifies their arguments with patronising xD type grinning. Just because they're so much more intelligent than everyone else. But cool.

I find a lot of online creators these days don't understand what copyright and libel/slander is/are. You can't just mouth off at someone and expect no consequences.

Many bloggers will just go onto google and steal images for their posts, for example. Best to have a half decent understanding about attribution. And beans.

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horace
5/11/2019 01:07:59 pm

Reading this and switching out "Beanus" with "Horace" etc is pretty enlightening.

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Yeswehavenobananas
5/11/2019 01:21:12 pm

Except Biffo isn't acting like a tool and copyright striking people.

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Sexy David Levy
5/11/2019 01:26:34 pm

Hi Paul/ZX Kingpin/whichever of the sock puppets you are posting under today.

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Horace
5/11/2019 06:43:01 pm

Fun fact: You're wrong.

Sexy David Levy
5/11/2019 08:12:21 pm

Suzy sends her love. Happy for you to take her up the KFC like the old days.

Horace
8/11/2019 07:57:48 pm

?

Bob
5/11/2019 01:29:15 pm

Only a matter of time before somebody put 2 and 2 together and came up with 47.

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Dudley of Yesterzine
5/11/2019 01:30:37 pm

I knew someone would tediously claim this.

No, the situations aren't remotely similar.

This case an original modern creation is being swiped from the creator by someone with massively more power and all he's asking very nicely for is a credit, which he's now got despite having the whole legal high ground.

In the Horace case, a chancer who may or may not even own it but certainly didn't create it is going after someone making a parody of a character who hasn't generated measurable revenue in 35 years by immediately going to defcon 0 and trying to ruin their livelihood because he saw them as an easy person to bully because they happened to be friends with someone with whom they may have a legal case.

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RP
5/11/2019 02:01:34 pm

Oh I can assure you there’s no legal case, nor have I had my C&D from the big scary lawyers.
With Horace, someone picked up the IP (allegedly) and then picked on two vulnerable women. He hasn’t gone after anyone else aside from some redbubble stuff afaik.
This is a case of ‘ooo I like that I’m gonna use it’ without thinking about properly linking to a fairly new and very individual creation that wouldn’t have been seen by as many people.
It feels a bit slimy, and not very spotting but it’s not involved threatening behaviour, slander and extremes of behaviour.

Horace
5/11/2019 06:48:03 pm

"Claim" what exactly?
I'm not claiming anything, nor am I making any kind of point. That's all in your head.

What they ARE are 2 cases of someone using someone else's character without prior approval. And that's pretty much where the similarities end, and I never claimed nor implied otherwise.

So, switching out the names makes for an interesting comparison of the two situations.

Not Horace
5/11/2019 02:40:42 pm

Eff off, mate

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Sam
5/11/2019 01:14:02 pm

All it would have taken would have been to ask you first!

I think we all got a bit cross about it because the character is so-very-Digi, and nobody can 'do Digi' except Mr Biffo.

I'm really glad they've been decent about it, shame about the nastiness from their fans.

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Steve
5/11/2019 01:15:45 pm

I agree with all that you've said, but I was also aggrieved that Beanus sounded like Johnny Vegas in the Yogscast video so it wasn't staying true to the character.

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Martin link
5/11/2019 01:23:40 pm

Glad it got sorted in the end. There's been way too much drama in our shared communities the last few weeks.

That YouTube channel that was defending you seems pretty cool. I bet they have some awesome quirky videos on there! 😁

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Brian Briggs
5/11/2019 01:30:57 pm

I am a fan of yours (and Simon), but he clearly stole your act.

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Jam
5/11/2019 01:36:35 pm

You've always had a knack for creating ridiculous characters and catchphrases that strike a chord. It must be frustrating, but it's great to see one of them transcend the core Digi audience. Validation of your talent and confirmation that there is a wider audience out there.

I know you've been agonising about the direction of Digi lately. Maybe the characters (yourself included) are the common thread than binds it all together?

#WEAREBEANUS

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Carlos Nightman
5/11/2019 01:37:58 pm

I couldn't put my thoughts into sentences, so I decided to use songs-lyrics-generator.org.uk's lyric generator to craft a masterpiece. Here you go:

Always Stay Bean-loving, Beanus
By The Twats
A Country Song

I grew up overshadowed by Rusted Pylons
Couldn't catch the eye of no city girl

Here I am devoted to Beanus
How I love the way you look in your Pinkish Brown jeans
Can't believe I let the smog cloud my eye

Where the Rusted Pylons stand
And the God Forsaken Sewers surround
I'll ride my Monstrous truck with you by my side

There's a whisper in the Bognor Regis breeze
Reminding me of The Man's Daddy
That whisper builds
That whisper cries
The Man's Daddy in the morning skies

You appear on the horizon
Brushing that Cress hair from your eyes

The city folk with their fancy gadgets
Cement Pylons like grey tombs
Don't have nothin' on our way of life
Just listen to the Parp

Don't live your life like a zealot
Today might feel a time to be like a zealot
But that ain't no way to lead a life

You know, there's a lot I drive by in my Monstrous truck
Folk who is messing up
Always stay bean-loving, Beanus
Always stay bean-loving

In Bognor Regis, when I was a child
I met a bean-loving man
"How can you be so bean-loving?" asked I
Here was his wise reply

Don't live your life like a zealot
Today might feel a time to be like a zealot
But that ain't no way to lead a life

Met an old lady who lived like a zealot
"What happened to her?" asked I
Here was his wise reprise

Don't live your life like a zealot
Today might feel a time to be like a zealot
But that ain't no way to lead a life

That lady's gone now
It's sad really
Word is, she had Cress hair once

Little Beanus, keep your jeans Pinkish Brown
Always stay bean-loving, Beanus
Always stay bean-loving

Parp, Parp, Parp
Parp, Parp, Parp...

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Josh
5/11/2019 02:13:56 pm

Mate, why are you making such a big deal out of this? It was a Halloween stream, you yourself retweeted his pic, they were all in costumes. You were mentioned during the stream, you were mentioned on the chat. Beans has been a recurrent joke, Simon saw your characters, thought it would resonate well with the viewers and dressed up as it. Simple. He never pretended it was his, it wasn't out of the blue. It was Halloween!

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Mr Biffo
5/11/2019 02:24:14 pm

You must be "Joshin'"...!

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Randomdad
5/11/2019 06:42:00 pm

What a weird comment, this post goes out if its way to ensure that it isn't treated as a big deal. Perhaps upgrade your comprehension skills.

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Terry Appleburg
5/11/2019 07:03:15 pm

big yikes to willfully ignore someone you like throwing a fit and then feeling smug about it

Not Josh
5/11/2019 06:48:13 pm

Because when somebody uses your character to advertise a product without your permission, especially a product currently mired in controversy, it's a pretty big deal.

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Not Not Josh
15/11/2019 04:23:44 pm

Hahaha look at me I'm so funny doing this lol so randumb

HdE
5/11/2019 05:43:00 pm

Something I feel like I need to weigh in with here, for the sake of my own sanity:

Folks like that Eelis K character are sadly indicative of a good chunk of folks who LOVE to stick their oar in when these issues arise. I took issue with one of the rudest commenters of that ilk under that video spouting similar stuff, and would do again. Because, frankly, some folks simply don't know what they're talking about, and allowing them to spew nonsense in relation to issue that meaningfully affect YouTube creators feels dangerous to me.

Unfortunately, when issues of copyright and IP ownership arise on YouTube, you ALWAYS see these types of ill-informed folks rocking up saying either 'I don't get it, chill out' or 'you stole stuff without asking, you criminal!' The real issue here is that these folks haven't deduced that copyright, trademarks and IP don't work the way THEY imagine they should.

This has been a huge issue in both the Horace and Beanus cases. People being rude to other folks because they feel passionately aggrieved, I can almost halfway kind of understand and even respect, on some level. But using incorrect assumptions about copyright as a tool to bludgeon people with? Fuck off with that shit.

It's a MASSIVE bugbear of mine that these situations seem to attract masses of apparent copyright experts who haven't spent any more time researching the issue than it takes to read a few comments that support the side of a dispute they feel personally comfortable with. In an ideal world, people would be better than that.

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Stance
7/11/2019 08:25:06 am

Most people are bothered about the ethical ramifications and not dry legalspeak. That should be immediately obvious and I'm not sure how it wasn't

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Terry Appleburg
5/11/2019 07:01:19 pm

everyone here is just brown nosing you, it was a cringe way to react to nothing happening hopefully youve learned not to be so embarrasing again

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Mrs. Appleburg
5/11/2019 11:11:12 pm

Son, your father has always said he should have aborted you instead of anally birthing you. He always said you were a little turd but I, as your mother, expected better from my little toilet baby. When you told us that you enjoyed molesting squirrels we said nothing. When you told us you have fantasies about shaved badgers we said nothing. When we caught you balls deep in a can of semolina we said nothing. Now however we can't stay silent. When we catch you acting the big man on the internet when in fact you're just an anally born butt baby we can't remain silent. We've told you time and time again that you're not allowed to bother decent people with your turdishness. I swear to god I will return you right back up your father's sphincter if I catch you bothering humans again!! Now back in your box you little shit.

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Terry Appleburg
5/11/2019 07:08:13 pm

"Better still... y'know... just come up with your own, completely original, ideas. Trust me: it'll make you feel a whole lot better about yourself." this sanctimonious attitude over literally the shittiest character ever makes you come off like a butthurt chode. small ideas and a small minded attitude are probably why your channel isnt even profitable

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Da5e
5/11/2019 07:29:43 pm

Shhhhhh.

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Renegade loser
5/11/2019 08:56:11 pm

Why the negativity Biff doesn't care and you look quite ridiculous just coming in on our party and crying in the corner....

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Berty Ballache
5/11/2019 11:14:23 pm

Better still y'know you could just do as your mother says and shut the fuck up you little butt baby squirrel molester.

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Berty Weakfellow
7/11/2019 08:23:59 am

Imagine being this indoctrinated to youtube videogame players. What must your life be like. I'm going to take a guess that you smell bad at any given time

Usual Person
7/11/2019 02:39:02 pm

@Berty Weakfellow - Imagine being you. Imagine thinking you're in some way you're superior when your girlfriend is a lukewarm Pot Noodle.

Poor boy. Your nose is obviously too close to your arse.

Panama Joe
5/11/2019 07:40:51 pm

If Beanus had been around for a couple of months and some social media history had built up that linked back to Digi it would have made it more established as a Digi creation.
But the fact that Yogs used the Beanus character literally just 2 weeks after he first appeared on Digi, and coupled with the absolute bare minimum acknowledgement of the IP creator, it ends up stinking of plagiarism a whole lot more than it should have. Unfortunate that Beanus' inception was so close to Halloween, meaning it was in people's minds as a costume.

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Craptastic Max
5/11/2019 08:54:14 pm

Most importantly where's Fat Sow?

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Borace
5/11/2019 11:30:26 pm

My I. PEE. is still available.

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Terry Appleburg
6/11/2019 12:56:05 am

I'll drink it. As soon as I'm finished with this sexy tin of semolina.

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James Walker
5/11/2019 11:59:30 pm

Fuck the internet.

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Terry Appleburg
6/11/2019 12:53:30 am

I am a butt baby. I molest squirrels, shave badgers for sexual thrills & love to go balls deep in tins of semolina.

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Yogfan
6/11/2019 06:08:06 pm

I do find it funny that people think dressing up for Halloween for a 3 hour live stream is IP theft. The vod will probably get 1% of the views a main channel video would.

Yogscast is not a Fortune 500 company, Lewis and Simon bank roll it so hard, the fact that they gave any publicity to Beanus should be a proud moment for everyone here.

Look to extend an olive branch to do collaboration, not throw salt around. If every time you get publicity you look for the bad in it, you sure as shit won't be getting much of it in the future.

If I was you, I would delete this post and offer to do a collab for the jingle jam, earn some more fans, don't just expect them to be handed to you.

Just sit back and think how many people would of loved this kind of opportunity. Forcing the outcome to go a certain way with link backs and shit is just the wrong move, it will achieve nothing compared to leveraging Simon's clear passion for your work.

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Yogfan
6/11/2019 09:12:01 pm

Also to add, I have a 2 litre Thermos flask filled with goat semen that I insert up myself (rectally) on a twice daily basis. I find that storing it up my rectum not only gives me immense pleasure but also gives a nice aroma when I'm sipping on the goat cum.

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Yogfan
7/11/2019 08:23:02 am

Simon's passion is no kind of prize, I'd be insulted to find out that drooling witless dullard has an interest in my work

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Yogfan
7/11/2019 09:41:23 am

Would anyone like a sip out of my Thermos of butt-warmed goat cum?

Yogfan
7/11/2019 02:49:20 pm

I'm full up on your mother's

Yogfan
7/11/2019 03:14:21 pm

And thanks to your fathers I now have room for three 2 litre Thermos flasks. Now should I fill them all with goat semen or fill the rest with other farmyard animal sperm? It's going to be difficult filling three flasks, my jaw gets sore enough filling one!

asdagasdsgagsasaf
7/11/2019 02:34:52 am

Holy fuck, this guy is like the king of cucklords. It was a halloween costume and he even credited you. I literally only found this because of the multiple shout outs he gave and I was curious about it, but now I wish I hadn't knowing what a piece of shit you are.

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colincidence link
7/11/2019 06:55:21 am

as if the cucklords weren't regal enough

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Depressing that people are content to exist like this
7/11/2019 08:22:02 am

STILL using the word 'cuckold' in an arbitrary manner that makes no sense in context? Do show me again how you definitely think for yourself, you weak little follower

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asdagasdsgagsasaf
7/11/2019 09:44:50 am

Me and Yogfan share his Thermos of goat semen. Today is my turn to store it up my butt. If anyone would like a sip ask me.

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Nick
7/11/2019 11:19:07 am

We used to get a better class of troll around here.
At least SB37 would take some pride in his craft, put the hours in and really hone the nonsense.

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Funky Daniel
7/11/2019 11:57:27 am

I wouldn't call 'falling back on swearing after being challenged once because there's no way to defend your interests' trolling, personally. More like a desperate get-out attempt

Yogscast more like arseholes
7/11/2019 08:18:24 am

My entire knowledge of Yogscast:

1. Did a Kickstarter for a new game that brought in a stupid amount of money, barely ever updated, then unceremoniously announced nobody would be getting anything at all for their money and the project has been scrapped

2. Selling ludicrously, laughably, risibly, absolutely absurdly overpriced PCs with an ugly-as-sin childish meme-design covering one half

I've hated them for ages, unprofessional babymen that lucked into a timeline where Youtube allows exposure for their silly noises and mannerisms to actual children without the law getting involved

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Buzz Off
9/11/2019 01:32:51 pm

Get off it, you massive dickhead. Read over what you've written and just consider how pathetic and sad you sound actually making drama. You could have sorted this out by talking to Bouphe and waiting for a little while. Bouphe herself isn't well, so you're really big for trying to leverage pressure on her to act in a certain way.

The talk about legal shit, pretty much all wrong. There's no case here at all. No high ground there morally either. Stop acting like a kicked puppy, nobody did anything wrong to you, you are purely victimising yourself.

Grow a pair and learn to deal with your issues like a grown man. Obviously I recognise this is just a publicity stunt, but it really doesn't make you less pathetic.

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Buzz Off
9/11/2019 01:41:45 pm

I'm sorry for my previous comment, I haven't been able to have sex with my boyfriends due to rectal trauma & I'm in a bad mood. My bumhole is like an inside out jellyfish.

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Mr Biffo
9/11/2019 01:45:41 pm

You can shove your apology up your broken ringpiece. Suck my fat dick & balls you insignificant bellhelmet.

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Damn it Jim
9/11/2019 02:48:58 pm

This comments section is pathetic, from both sides, I imagine most of you are adults, yet you're acting like teenagers. I'd be embarassed to have any of you as 'fans'

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Damn it Jim
9/11/2019 11:54:48 pm

My fans are loyal. They come every night to watch me insert things up my bum.

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Chris E
11/11/2019 09:25:13 pm

Sorry to hear this. I used to be a fan of the Yogscast back when they were just a couple of friends making World of Warcraft videos, but in recent years they've been shown to be really dodgy people; the Yogventures disaster, stealing artwork, not to mention the several sexual harassment allegations.

They've gone from two friends in their bedrooms making videos into a huge multi-million pound network with their own offices, live-streaming studios, game development studio and online stores, but with that success they've become incredibly arrogant and cliquey.

This isn't the first time they've done something like this, won't be the last.

P.S: I know you've been getting a lot of stick from Yogscast/Chilluminati fans, but they're not necessarily representative of the Yogs fandom as a whole, who are by and large nice, mature and respectful people. (Yes, a lot of Yogs fans are adults, not kids).

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Some troll will probably steal this name
14/11/2019 06:04:32 pm

You really need to swap out your comment system for disqus or something Paul. This is a tyre fire.

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Regina Bellringer
11/2/2021 12:33:38 pm

In the cold light of coronavirus, it's funny to read back this article and look at the comments. What a shitshow of an attitude from the supposed Yogscast fans, and what petty things they got worked up about. There were some unfortunate trolling replies to them as well, and all of it pales in comparison to Covid.

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