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IF DIGITISER LAUNCHED TODAY... WOULD I HAVE BEEN A WHITE SUPREMACIST? - by Mr Biffo

23/3/2017

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I wasn't going to write about the whole JonTron thing, but then I started thinking about it in relation to me and Digitiser.

In case you don't know him, Jonathan Jafari - "JonTron" - is a YouTuber or "Internet personality". He rose to fame as the creator of the Let's Play series Game Grumps. He has over three million subscribers on YouTube, and in the past week or so became the latest high-profile Let's Play-er to become embroiled in a white supremacy storm.

Jafari first made the error of defending a US politician's controversial remarks on immigration - "Wow, how scandalous, Steve King doesn't want his country invaded by people who have contempt for his culture and people! NAZI!!!" - continued to dig himself into a deeper hole during a two-hour live stream ("If they assimilated, they would enter the gene pool, eventually."), and then released an apology video which sought to explain his comments and reset his reputation.

Didn't really work.

TROLL WITH IT
PewDiePie, meanwhile, has continued to troll the media - following what has now been revealed as a rather manipulative and insincere "explanation" for his own Nazi-based whimsy (featuring copious crocodile tears, in a textbook example of the Karpman Drama Triangle) - with yet further references to Nazism. He so funneeeee!

Meanwhile, Colin Moriarty, a founder member of Kinda Funny - a collection of "Internet personalities" comprised of former IGN staffers - quit the group recently in the wake of an allegedly sexist tweet, and has now taken to Patreon to fund a series of weekly videos which "delve deep into the issues of our time, not to mention the issues of long ago". Whatever those might be. How to deal with the bubonic plague, perhaps? How to get lice out of your codpiece? 

​Currently, Moriarty stands to make nearly $40,000 a month off this venture. Thanks to the generosity of 173 of you, and a handful of PayPal donors, I make just over $1,000 off mine - or about £400 after VAT and tax and fees. Not including what I fork out for it for web hosting and games and stuff. I'm deeply grateful for it, but... y'know... just sayin'. Maybe I'm not racist enough.

So: what's going on? Why are all the gaming YouTubers suddenly acting all, like, offensive and that? Why are they being dicks? And why am I writing about it again?

​Well... I suppose because I wonder whether - had the Internet been around when I was first doing the original Digitiser - I'd have ended up as one of those dicks too. 
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GLOBAL FAME
I never got close to reaching the eye-watering levels of global fame as the likes of PewDiePie, JonTron, or Colin Moriarty, but Digitiser was undeniably pretty popular in the UK back in the 90s and early Noughties.

I mean, at one point we were getting over a million readers weekly, and though that dropped significantly after Teletext decided to remove the humour, and reduce our updates to just three days a week, by the end Digi was still engorged with a readership far in excess of what any print magazine achieved.

I'm not saying this to boast; we started pre-internet, were on one of the main terrestrial channels, and - at least for the first nine years - daily. We were handed a golden opportunity that even an idiot would have had a hard time ballsing up.

I suppose what was different for us compared to YouTubers is that we were part of a larger organisation, and there wasn't really an opportunity to break away from it and do our own thing online.

We also tried very hard to avoid making Digi a cult of personality. None of us wanted to be Julian "Jazz Mag" Rignall, and were a bit holier-than-thou when it came to games mag by-lines. Our names - Mr Biffo, Mr Hairs, Mr Cheese - were meant as a way of poking fun at all that; we never meant for anybody to latch onto them.

That worked well...

SILVER ANNIVERSARY
Digitiser is 25 years old next January. I started writing it when I was a mere slip of a 21 year-old, and I have wondered whether, over the ten years the original Digi ran for, we ever put stuff to air which would've been contentious in the current climate.

I can't think of anything specific... The phrase "sheriff's hair and poo" was removed by a sub, we were told off for suggesting that all Scottish people had ginger hair, and I got a written warning for asking security guards whether they were "Too fat and stupid to get into the army". Oh, and Ofcom upheld a complaint over Gossi The Dog being afraid of his master's belt.

And yet... I say that pretty certain in the knowledge that - even if we had been able to get it to air - we wouldn't have done a PewDiePie-style "Death to all Jews" joke.

Sorry... "joke". 

Most of what we got away with was innuendo, or kind of darkly surreal... Certainly nothing really racist-y or sexist-y. So, actually, maybe we would've been fine.

Maybe we wouldn't have been forced to apologise for anything. I dunno though - and I sort of want to know.
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YOUTH IN REVOLT
I also started writing this piece wondering if you can attribute the stupid behaviour of PewDiePie and JonTron to them being young and ignorant. They're 27 and 26 respectively (while Colin Moriarty is 32 - the age I more or less was when Digi ended).

Certainly, there are things from the Teletext days which I wince at, and put down to the recklessness of youth. We took risks with our own jobs, certainly - mainly to amuse ourselves. I can see a bit of that going on with PewDiePie's misguided attempts at humour.

He doesn't have the buffer of a sub-editor between him and his audience; it's just him and a camera, unfiltered. He clearly pushes things in order to get a laugh, and evidently takes it too far.

JonTron's views on immigration are something else entirely - intended sincerely, apparently. Really, though, even if he is of Iranian heritage, is any 26 year-old - least of all one more commonly known for whimsical gaming videos - really going to add anything fresh or insightful to the debate on immigration? Is that who we should be going to for our commentary on such enormous issues? 

Sorry if that comes over as patronising and middle-aged, but I've earned the right. With a certain amount of mileage comes a certain amount of wisdom, and one of the biggest lessons I've learned in my life is knowing when to keep my mouth shout.

Thus... I worry that I might not have done when I was young, if exposed to the same sort of spotlight as today's YouTubers. Then again, I've always loved the multiculturalism of my home country and city, and couldn't care less about immigration.

THE AUDIENCE
Something I found when I did Digi was that I never really had a sense of the audience being there. It was only subsequently, after I stopped doing it, that I realised how popular it actually was - that people even knew or cared who the mysterious "Mr Biffo" might be. 

Obviously, we got letters, I saw the viewing figures, and I would very occasionally bump into people who were fans. I was taken aback in CEX once, when the guy behind the counter noticed my name and mumbled "Stay away from my bins". But it was all kind of abstract; for the most part, my day, my life, would roll on regardless, utterly unaffected by any of that. 

It was only in the mid-2000s, when I had the Board of Biffo going, that, I suppose, I felt I was at the centre of something. That backfired spectacularly for me, because I ended up getting a ton of online grief, and wasn't mature or grounded enough at the time to handle it. Also, I didn't understand it - I didn't get that being Mr Biffo in a group of people who knew who Mr Biffo was would change the dynamic. I wanted to be part of the gang, but I wasn't; I was the human equivalent of a klaxon going off in a pig sty.

It was impossible to blend in, and I only realised that on reflection, once I stepped away. It could be that JonTron, PewDiePie, and their ilk simply aren't aware of how huge they are. It's not like they're Bono - soaking up the applause of 200,000 people night after night. They sit in front of their cameras, and then watch numbers rack up.

For them, getting a million views for a video might be as vague as it was to be told Digi was getting 1.2 million readers a week. How can anybody really absorb that and make sense of it?
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DIFFERENT STROKES
It's different with Digitiser2000 (not least because its readership is a fraction of what Digitiser got). When I launched this site, and stepped out of the shadows, I was prepared. Still terrified initially of what it might attract, but prepared. I didn't want fame, I just wanted to create stuff which satisfied me, and I wanted to write about games again.

I'm in my 40s now, and have a ton of life under my belt (which I occasionally remove and use to beat a fictional dog). I've got a sub-editor living in my head these days (albeit one who sucks at spotting typos). Apart from the times I've waded into Gamergate or Brexit - in my attempts to understand them - I've rarely drawn any controversy to Digi2000.

Of course, this site gets a fraction of the readers that Digi got back in the day. I'm a mere speck in the current gaming scene. In the 8 years or so that I was away, YouTube rose up and I faded away in most people's memories. Had I never stepped away, maybe I'd have started a YouTube channel earlier, capitalised on Digitiser and made it bigger than this site is now... but I know I probably wouldn't have been ready for it.

The state I was in, I might well have done or said something profoundly stupid, and I'd have probably done it for the wrong reasons; for the affirmation and acceptance and love that was otherwise missing in my life back then.

The joy of starting this site when I did is that I was clear-headed and grown-up. I'm grounded and stable, and happy. Plus, it has remained small enough that I've gotten to know some of you pretty well - which I like very much.

It's honestly a gift.

RAMBLIN' MAN
Which is all a bit of a ramble really, and just me once again trying to make sense of my place in the world, and reflect upon where I came from.

Because the world is a different place now to when I started Digi; the Internet has given voice to the sorts of people and opinions that most of us were shielded from 25 years ago. Jokes - sorry, "jokes" - about killing Jews were at most confined to the playground, or Nazi rallies, or particularly offensive pub talk between wankers.

Back in the 90s, you wouldn't get white supremacists spouting their opinions on TV - but for the generations below me, YouTube is their TV, and social media is their playground. It grants these views, or these ham-fisted attempts at humour, a certain legitimacy. Maybe - who knows? - it offers the illusion that it's okay and acceptable to make jokes about it.

Part of me wants to dismiss PewDiePie and JonTron as kids who've just been exposed to this stuff, that for them it has become normalised. Except... by their age I had three children, and was doing my best to raise them to be tolerant of everyone, regardless of gender, race or beliefs. 

I wrote this piece, because I was reflecting upon whether I was like them, whether it's a case of there but for the grace of God and all that.

But you know what? Whatever mistakes I made, however fragile I ever got, I know now that I would never have gone to those places, never had those opinions, never made those sorts of jokes. Furthermore, I still don't think I would've done even if I'd matured in the current climate.

Some things just are wrong and unacceptable, and thank Christ I've always known what those are. As an old man it worries the living bejeezus out of me that the likes of JonTron, PewDiePie and Colin Moriarty - unfiltered, unvarnished, un-responsible - are the ones the next generation are watching.

​Bunch of twats.
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41 Comments
Bryan
23/3/2017 11:16:26 am

Having read Digi for nearly every day until it was made to go away I can concur that there were never any truly offensive jokes. I enjoyed it for it's silly and often surreal sense of humour. Zombie Dave's commenting for example and I still frequently go back to viewing the archives of Man Diary (The man with the long chin). It was obvious to me that it was all a joke. There are far too many people out there on the YouTube who don't realise the following that they have and a lot of their viewers are impressionable youngsters who just enjoyed watching others play their favourite games before then giving the other videos again. It can set a dangerours precedent though because when you're younger and impressionable you want to be like your heroes and if that means listening to and believing what they say, that often comes with it. I love your humour and it's great to see the sensible side of you in articles like this. Thanks, Biffo


MWUH RFFT THTHH (zombie dave)

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Bob
23/3/2017 11:22:50 am

Just because you never made an offensive joke doesnt mean people wont be offended. Do you REALLY believe anyone was genuinely truly hurt by Colin Moriarty's joke? Did you even look at the joke before writing this? It was a completely tepid nothing

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Darren link
23/3/2017 11:26:40 am

The difference between yourself and those out there in YouTubeLand is the majority of them are amateurs turned pro, whereas you (and I) worked within a journalistic framework. I actually had journalism training as part of my degree and did further courses when I worked at various places. Not sure if you did the same thing.

But there's the rub - either by osmosis or by training, we have it in our fibre not to do what the JonTrons of this world have done. If you were a white supremacist, you'd keep it to yourself and maybe only allude to it via a series of witty teletext graphic involving a talking pretzel that when turned on its side looked a bit like a Swastika, see?

What we are seeing is a reaction from the old media to the new media - and this can be also be extended to YouTube's current woes with advertising and #agegate. The old media don't like it that those young whippersnappers hold all that influence without any of the responsibility and I think that's why PieDePew got hung out to dry - the same can be said of Zoella (with her three books in the bestseller charts) being responsible for teenage illiteracy. You work it out...

YouTube is a bit like the Wild West - anything used to go, but now, with money involved, that has to change and so this is why there is pressure on everyone to "toe-the-line". Most of us who have been involved in proper media have been toeing-that-line for years.

Then there's the whole "outrage bandwagon" that swerves through the virtual streets of social media looking for its next target. Social media has given us plenty to vent about and so everyone is in automatic reactionary mode without actually engaging their brains. That's the side effect of "always on" social media that praises the first finger first mentality. React, be first, be current, be edgy, be on-message. You get it.

So you have this perfect storm of the stupid with influence opening their mouths and revealing just how stupid they are and then the old media jumping on this because taking down anyone from YouTube is sport these days and the outrage bandwagon revealing in the social media shitstorm.

So back to your original question? Would you be a white supremacist? No, but if you had none of the experience at Teletext and your subsequent writing experiences then you might find yourself in a position when your virtual gob lands you in trouble.

I know, for my sins, my decision to reveal that I voted for Brexit has lost me virtual chums because again no-one has the sense to actually debate the subject but instead just wants to shut down anyone with an opposing view. These are the reactionary times we live in. One wrong move and you could find yourself pulling a big bucket of virtual poop onto your own head.

But did it harm PewDePoo or TronJohn? No. But for real destruction of your social media worth, you need to look at those YouTubers who have actually committed real-life crimes or been involved in questionable behaviour with their fans...

But you never know when the outrage bandwagon is in your town...

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Sermon Zooks
23/3/2017 11:28:17 am

Zombie Dave once informed me that "Japanese women have tiny tits".

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Mr Biffo
23/3/2017 11:46:16 am

There you go then. Perfect example of something Zombie Dave wouldn't say today.

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Mr Biffo
23/3/2017 11:49:59 am

Annoyingly, the site isn't letting me reply directly to comments. Anyhow - "Bob" - yeah, of course I saw what Moriarty wrote. And I think it was a complete storm in a teacup, and a good example of when political correctness goes too far. At the same time... y'know... it's still a bit of a dick-ish comment, and not a joke I'd have made, because it's not 1974, and I'm not a character in a Carry On movie.

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Satoshi
23/3/2017 11:55:05 am

With the snide derisive tone of your last article concerning "the tragic waste of time online gaming is" and rationalizing your points using baseless generalisations I certainly think so.

You're not a white supremacist but you definitely have some inadequacy issues presenting themselves as a "no guys, really, i know people have reasons for the way they are and not everyone's the same but these guys are a bunch of twats"

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Mr Biffo
23/3/2017 11:57:00 am

Well somebody's got their knickers in a twist...

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Nikki
23/3/2017 12:03:23 pm

I think that when you have that amount of money and followers, you end up thinking that every viewpoint you have must be right, because look at all the people giving you money and agreeing with you! So the blinkered view of life these guys have ends up with them denouncing every other viewpoint, and you get instant, unwitting, supremacists.

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Mrtankthreat
23/3/2017 12:10:03 pm

Not sure about the title. Not click-baity enough. Who's gonna read it now? ; )

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Mr Biffo
23/3/2017 12:14:19 pm

MrTankThreat - I know. I can't help myself...!

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Nick
23/3/2017 12:15:48 pm


IF DIGITISER LAUNCHED TODAY... WOULD I HAVE BEEN A WHITE SUPREMACIST? THE ANSWER WILL SHOCK YOU- by Mr Biffo
Fixed it.

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oatmaster
23/3/2017 12:24:48 pm

I remember Tycho from Penny Arcade talking about how he'd probably be in prison now if there had been much of an Internet when he was younger, based on the things he used to say when he was a foolish youth.

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Salem
23/3/2017 12:28:05 pm

To be honest I think Colin Moriarty left Kinda Funny more because hes just a miserable sod who is more interested in his "I'm a republican but smoke weed" thing and talking about history and stuff and not so much about video games anymore. The tweet just "kinda" brought it all to a head and he decided to quit and do his own thing. Good news is they replaced him with a hand puppet called Chad who is a piranha plant from the Mario games and Kinda Funny's future is looking very bright indeed.

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RG
23/3/2017 12:43:55 pm

Yay - the Karpman Drama Triangle character is back! I've missed him!(Joking of course)

Good piece Mr B!

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RG
23/3/2017 12:49:55 pm

But now I want a Karpman Drama Triangle reveal-o. An offensive persecuting one that'll ironically make me the victim?

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RG
23/3/2017 12:52:09 pm

... and PewDiePie could rescue me... I'm off to write a sitcom...

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DD
23/3/2017 01:23:32 pm

You never faded from my memory Biffo....

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Euan
23/3/2017 01:38:31 pm

I think what's nice about this, and what I've just realised is that I enjoy Digi now as much as before because we've all matured in that time but remain the same.

That's a horrible sentence. But you get the sentiment

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Dangerous Dave
23/3/2017 02:04:01 pm

I grew up with Digitiser from a very young and impressionable age and I like to think that whilst I do occasionally enjoy winding people up (and i'm known to act like a bit like a clown or say stupid things), i've never really considered racism or sexism as a humorous topic.

I enjoy spouting out shocking and false statements, but I don't really like offending people. At least not until I feel i've been provoked, and even then I have no racist/sexist thoughts to draw from. I think I have Digitiser to thank for that. That and my own parents, of course.

Had I grown up with Youtube, however, i'd imagine a number of my friends and I would be joking about Nazi's, Autism and Feminism without any real understanding of any of it. And then we'd excuse our offence by claiming it to be 'banter' or 'bantz'. Cus, y'know it's like starting a sentence with "No offence, but..."

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Geebs
23/3/2017 02:24:21 pm

Eh, if the guy's a second or third generation immigrant, then all of that stuff is pretty much going to be the unfiltered opinions of his parents - especially if they were themselves proactive about integrating themselves.

If the internet's reporting was anything to go by (and it isn't), that was a pretty pro-Trump demographic.

TL:DR I totally agree with Biffo's point that some life experience is valuable if you're going to try to talk politics on the internet, unless you want to get stamped on for regurgitating stuff you believe implicitly because it's what you grew up with. Would also explain why none of these slebs can actually back any of that stuff up when challenged.

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Salem
23/3/2017 02:28:29 pm

By the way Mr Biffo,how did they track viewing figures for teletext do you know?

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oatmaster
23/3/2017 02:28:58 pm

I think the closest I ever really came to Nazi-related jokes was regularly saying, "So you keep saying, Hitler" but that was just because Rik off The Young Ones said it after Neil complained he was hungry or something.

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Clive Peppard
23/3/2017 02:38:13 pm

You know what i find offensive about all of this?

literally nothing.

PDP etc are children, stupid children who are learning their lessons very publicly (or not as the case may be).

The cynic in me always assumes that these ridiculous comments are all about viewer figures, the more hits the more revenue..

My YouTube videos get between none and 5 views most of the time (thanks mum) and as a result i have no revenue from my 3 followers. If i posted a video whilst extolling the joys of murdering Hispanics for instance (im playing wild lands) and then posted it on twitter I'm sure i could bump those

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Dave
23/3/2017 03:09:16 pm

I think you quite rightly hit the nail on the head about people thrust into the limelight without any real understanding and comprehension of who they really are or what they are doing and the scope of range it can reach.

PDP with the shit joke that wasn't funny (Which is i think just that applies to PDP generally), is the type of stuff you learn as a comic with what can and cannot be said and especially how it is phrased..
You can get away with some very edgy material if done properly.

For example Dave Chapelle's new stand up just released on Netflix Part of it was discussing rape and defending Bill Cosby - VERY dangerous territory but utterly hilarious.

PewDiePie trying his version of edgy comedy to a 50 odd million audience as a starter was always going to be set for failure. To be honest it could have been a hell of a lot worse.


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Biscuits
23/3/2017 04:04:10 pm

I reckon Digi's humour was always presented in a 'can you believe we are getting away with this?', nudge-and-a-wink sort of way, I don't think the context of the jokes was important at all, just that you were putting them up there in a manner that may elude the 'squares'. As a insufferable entitled kid that hated soaps etc., the idea that TV had a secret hidden part (teletext) and that part of that hidden part (Bamber Boozler) was actually as subversive and secretive as all my favourtie culture back then, was, of course, literally the best thing in the world

I haven't seen any PewdiePie because I'm a grown up, but he seems to have fallen into the same tiresome trap as most modern dullards: thinking 'shock'='shock humour'. You have to actually be funny, see. the difficulty is, I suppose, that they've grown to a point that just literally squealing into a mic isn't cute anymore.

That's the other thing: I was still doing stupid shit in my mid twenties, but nothing that suggests a societal disconnect and feckless lack of wit to the extent of these fellows. 26 and 27 is WAY too old for the verbal equivelant of scrawling swastikas on a school textbook, that's ridiculous

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Clockwork Fool
23/3/2017 05:24:35 pm

In todays climate, if enough people saw it, Turner the Worm being sick would get you labelled as an actual rapist or at least a rape apologist, though.

So, you know. Pick through the media furore carefully and all that, you know?

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James
23/3/2017 05:48:05 pm

Honestly, the thing that shocked me the most in this article was the revelation that Gossi was male. How many other fictional animals have I misgendered over the years? Maybe I'M the fascist.

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Wadaload
23/3/2017 09:15:52 pm

To think, kids today are watching PewdiePie instead of blue-peter.

Though with Rickard Bacon's wacky smoking habit, and Jamie Theakston's rides to (in?) the love-dungeon, maybe Jon and Pew's fall from grace has more to do with the people rather than their environment.

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Roy (Stuart N Hardy fan)
23/3/2017 09:16:24 pm

If Digi had launched today, the likes of me (an almost nerd but not the full nerd due to the piss taking of family and close friends) wouldn't have known of its existence.
I was there right at the start of Teletext Digi when only us privileged few appreciated it.
I don't wanna come across as a lickspittle but I've always found meself agreeing with Mr B on evertything to do with videogames.
And I still do.
If it wasn't for him then I'd have found myself straying a bit from the hobby I love.
And that's all I have to say about that.

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Roy (Stuart N Hardy fan)
23/3/2017 09:20:35 pm

Wadda lickspittle scumbag I truly am!

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Mr Biffo
23/3/2017 09:25:39 pm

Love you! Also: sorry that replying to comments isn't working. Not sure why that is. I'll look into it next week.

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SonOfPurple link
23/3/2017 09:28:47 pm

It's a complex issue here. One could say that youth and inexperience plays a large part - in years to come their stance may mellow and they'll no longer necessarily stand by what they said back in 2017; a while ago I was considering re-uploading some of my decade-old MySpace blogs up onto my current site so that all the archive was in one place, but on rereading back some of what I'd originally written, I found that quite a bit of this stuff was in-the-moment and - whilst not particularly hurtful or supremacist in any way - not the way I'd write ten years on. Eventually the re-up didn't happen (and I lost the USB with the old posts on, so they're gone for good unless Timberlake backed 'em up.)

The point about the bloggers being unfiltered and without editorial supervision is also salient - for instance, when I wrote some bits for Off The Telly back in 2009 I sent them to the site-owner, who was able to run a pencil through 'em before they went up, whilst my own uploads - to my page, or to Digital Spy, or Instagram, even on here - I sometimes rewrite several times before pressing 'send' (once wasted nearly an hour tapping out a post for DS letter-by-letter before deciding I wasn't happy with it and scrapping it!)

So in the grand scheme of things these 'Tubers could well be tomorrow's digital chip-paper. The problem is that the modern media is such an echo-chamber: people reacting to others' reactions, and then other folk reacting to that: we have to remember to take a step back, breathe and move on. That's advice I myself could've done with years ago.

That's quite a ponderous, sensible post. Better make it a bit more Digi: *SERIES OF INCREASINGLY LOUD HONKS*

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Starbuck
23/3/2017 09:49:09 pm

Reply to Biscuits' comment:

What (s)he said.

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Spiney O'Sullivan
23/3/2017 09:54:19 pm

Because I've watched and enjoyed a lot of Jon's content, I felt I owed it to him to listen to that whole debacle -sorry, "debate"- before reading any articles about it so I could have an honest opinion without just relying on articles that could have been full of cherry-picked out-of-context phrases.

Bloody hell. Turns out that context did not help. It was all cherries.

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Roy (Stuart N Hardy fan)
23/3/2017 10:23:57 pm

I'll always remember when I first had a letter published on teletext by Digi.
It was around the mid 90's. I can't recall the exact date.
Me and the old woman hadn't been married that long. I can recall that exact farking date!
I was working as a self employed painter and decorator (I like to add the decorator bit as it makes me sound a tad more exotic) at the time and working on a site in Hounslow.
At that time I always got up around 4:30 in the AM much to the chagrin of the Mrs but because I had to (and still do). The first thing I did was to put on Digi text to see if my letter had been printed before I left home. And there it was!
I was so chuffed that I went on site that morning and told all of them of my fame. Even the plumbers!
It didn't go down well and I did well to deflect all sorts of nasty criticisms and general hurtfulness shot towards my direction but I didn't care.
I took an awful lot of hatred for you, Mr B. Building site people generally don't like our kind.
Well I've got my own painting (and decorating) firm these days and a fair bit older and not much wiser but now I can tell my subbys that I get my musings get posted on Digitiser 2000.
They don't care.
How times change!

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Mr Biffo
24/3/2017 06:14:00 am

A tale for the ages...

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Roy (Stuart N Hardy fan)
24/3/2017 10:38:54 pm

Tee hee hee.
You rascal, Mr B.

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A kid called Dave
25/3/2017 07:00:57 pm

The most offensive thing about it all is the visual language they all adopt: Jump cuts, stupid gaming chairs, stupid microphone in shot, bokeh up to my eyeballs, crappy EDM and fancy adobe suite shite for their intros, manic laughter over just about everything. Bunch of bellends. Millionaire bellends.
If this is the new rock and roll, I want to jump of a fuken bridge.

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Euan
25/3/2017 07:32:24 pm

Those bloody jumpy cuts. I just can't

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Fistfister69 link
9/4/2017 12:01:13 pm

Listen Biffo, you're wide of the mark here.

Admittedly JonTron's outpouring of weirdness is borderline racist, which is a little bit self-hating I suppose. He is part Iranian, and seems to be most angry about Muslims coming to the US and calling everything in the US unholy, everyone in the US infidels and trying to practice their own code of laws and values, not those that already exist in the US. Actually, if you can manage to ignore the klaxon sounding in your head right now shrieking 'RACIST', he kind of has a point. His grandfather came to the US and completely accepted American culture and values, and that worked out great for the Jafaris. But you're right, he's totally unqualified to have that debate in public, and it shows.

Pewdiepie however, you seem to be laying into based on a position of total ignorance. Yes he's made a handful of Jew jokes, but what comedian worth their salt hasn't?

But he's made jokes about pretty much every topic known to man, since he's been putting out roughly 3 hours of content every week for the past 5 years or more. Any group, race or religion could choose to be affronted and offended by him, as he has offended everyone equally, even white Swedish games nerds.

It's only the Jews who are offended. Oh wait, that isn't even correct. It's only white non-Jews who are offended because, and I'm not even making this part up, JK Rowling fucking told them to be! (After being prompted by the Wall Street Journal of course).

What you seem to be totally ignorant of are two things: one, the gigantic depth and breadth of content that pewdiepie has produced over the years, 99.9% of which was not anti semetic or racist in any way. And two: the all-out war that the mainstream media has been waging against him since 2012, when he (and YouTube / user-made content in general) became more popular than them.

I used to respect you a lot more than this, and I think that age has not only stripped you of your fighting spirit and your anarchic tendencies, but it has dulled your once-keen sense of bullshit and ability to detect a lie. So much so that you're repeating the hive mind groupthink of Rowling and the rest of her new wave social justice warrior ilk.

Be better than this.

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