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FEEDBACK NEEDED: WOULD YOU BE PREPARED TO HELP FUND A SERIES OF BIFFOVISION?

4/10/2016

64 Comments

 
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I started on the Digifest ads video back in the summer. Along the way, I got punched in the face, which held me up a little - and I had a teletext festival to co-organise, and other work to deliver - but there was rarely a day where I wasn't tinkering with it.

The final section - Goujon John's Celebrity Ghostel - was the last one to be completed, just a few days before Block Party.

Oddly, it was the toughest one to nail. Tim "Mr Hairs" Moore and I had filmed some footage for it - fannying around in various graveyards - but it took three attempts to get it right. Bringing back Goujon John at the last moment seemed to pull it all together (believe it or not - the first two cuts didn't feature him at all).

So here's the "thing": the video seems to have received almost unanimous positive feedback, in spite of its unerring strangeness. Lots of people have asked me to do more.

​And I really want to do more. So I'm hatching a plan.
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NO EXCUSE
However... doing more wouldn't be cheap, relatively speaking, without the 'excuse' of a festival of some sort. 

I simply can't justify the expense; it would be a very costly hobby, and I am not a rich man.

I cut corners where possible with the Digifest video, but as you can probably appreciate from watching it... it's pretty ambitious. I thought it'd be virtually free to make, but it ended up costing between £500-£1,000, all of which ended up coming out of my own pocket. 

That is, by the standards of TV, absurdly cheap (Biffovision was at the lower-end of the TV budget range, at about £60,000 back in 2007) - but not cheap when your children are wondering why they haven't had a holiday this year.

Therefore, to do more of this sort of thing... I'd need to find funding. Not a lot. But a bit. Just enough to cover the costs, and do something slightly more ambitious than the spoof ads, so that it doesn't impact upon my personal finances.

I could drag myself through the wearying, depressing, process of taking it to TV commissioners, but it goes without saying that there's no real outlet for this kind of unbridled nonsense on British TV. Trust me: I've tried, and I'm all out of fight. 

I also don't want to hand over any degree of control of it to anyone else. I love Biffovision because Tim and I were given complete creative control. The fact it didn't go to a series is mitigated by the fact that what ended up on screen was more or less exactly what we wanted. I want the freedom to go mental and explore strange ideas without a producer breathing against my nape, or trying to make it fit into some demographic box.

This project would also be a hard sell to any commissioner, given that much of what I intend to do would be put together at the editing stage - the scripts for the ads were bare bones, to say the least. 

Which really only leaves one option: crowd-funding. 
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COST-LOW!
​I'd aim to keep the retro, degraded VHS look of any future video project - which seems to suit my style - so wouldn't want to film it on expensive cameras.

I wouldn't want to hire household names to appear in it. Props would be home-made and silly. And I'd edit it all myself, as I did with the Digifest ads. I'd try to keep it all as cheap as possible. Not least, because I can't imagine my profile is sufficient to raise a vast amount of money anyway...

I'm thinking about a series of ten minute episodes (between three and six, depending on what is raised), that obviously wouldn't all be spoof ads (that might get a little tiring) - but would very much be in that same vein. I may look for a sort of linking device, akin to Biffovision's kids' TV format, to hold it all together. I might even try to get some higher-profile cameos from special guests. I might even call it Biffovision.

So, this preamble is all to ask one thing: would you be interested in helping back it? Obviously, I'd offer perks for different backer tiers - the usual sorts of things: t-shirts, stickers, a copy on DVD etc, behind-the-scenes footage, the chance to be in it, an on-screen credit, tickets to some sort of screening event...

In all honesty, I don't know how much money I could potentially raise, which is why I'm testing the water this way first (go and vote in my poll on Twitter or comment below - if it isn't too vulgar, it'd even be good to know how much you might potentially be willing to contribute, if the rewards were sufficient).

If I was able to generate as much as, say, the £100,000 Richard Herring received for the next series of his podcast, I'd obviously be able to go completely mental with it, and take a year off to make it. I suspect, however, when I compare my 4,500 or so Twitter followers to his 188,000, that isn't going to happen. I think even £5,000 would be reaching for the stars. But... I dunno. I really haven't a clue.

Digi2000's monthly Patreon brings in about £650 - pre-tax. These past few months, all of that ended up being sunk into the spoof ads and the Digifest (our sponsors weren't able to cover everything), and  merchandise costs.

​Plus, that money is meant to be used to support Digitiser2000 - and this video project would be something different. A sister project to Digitiser2000, and stylistically of a piece with it, but also its own thing. It might mention video games at points. It might not. I dunno.

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WHYYYYYY?
Why do this? Well, for one thing... I'd really enjoy it. And you'd hopefully enjoy the end result.

Furthermore, it'd be scratching an itch that isn't going to get scratched any other way.

​Biffovision was my first attempt at recreating what I do in a video format, and I think the Digifest ads took it further still. I want to see how far I can get. 

And let's face it... we all know there's an audience for this stuff - 2,000 people have watched the Digifest video in 48 hours. It's not stellar, obviously, but still enough people to make it a worthwhile... albeit not enough for any TV company to want to actually make what I have in mind. 

So. Yes. Please help me out here: only you can give me any sense of whether I can do this. Is it worth me even trying to raise the funds? Will I just fall flat on my fat face, looking even more stupid? I dunno!

The main questions I need answering are:
  • How many of you would be prepared to back a series of Mr Biffo videos?
  • How much would you be prepared to back them for?
  • What would you want in return in terms of rewards?  

HELP!

64 Comments
Damien
4/10/2016 04:55:27 pm

It's hard to say how much I'd be willing to drop (currently in the process of moving cities and arranging a wedding, so I'm not as flush right now as I'd like to be), but I'd definitely get involved in funding something along the lines of this. Maybe little things such as stickers would be good incentives.

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THAT GUY
4/10/2016 05:01:25 pm

How many of you would be prepared to back a series of Mr Biffo videos?

I would.

How much would you be prepared to back them for?

£25 ish

What would you want in return in terms of rewards?

Option to opt out of rewards except videos. Sometimes the tat they send just gets put in the bin, but there often isn't an option to opt out.

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THAT GUY
4/10/2016 05:12:47 pm

Also, I should add that I would really want a digital only option. I would never use DVD or Blue ray, so wouldn't want any sent to me.

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Nick
4/10/2016 05:16:05 pm

I have an uncontrollable urge to send you all my old DVDs.

MattL
4/10/2016 05:29:44 pm

A DVD would be a great collectible piece of memorabilia, even if you only watched a digital download though, wouldn't it?

THAT GUY
4/10/2016 05:44:09 pm

I'm not in to collecting stuff personally, but yes, it definitely would be for those that enjoy doing that.

John Veness
4/10/2016 05:06:06 pm

Sounds excellent. I'd be willing to give maybe £25 for a normal DVD of the episodes, maybe £50 for a deluxe version with behind the scenes stuff and a credit.

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Nick
4/10/2016 05:10:33 pm

Go on then. Stick us down for £20.
I'm not too fussed about rewards. Don't be too quick to throw away the production money.

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Matt Alexander
4/10/2016 05:19:58 pm

Loved Biffovision and I'd be happy to spit £25 towards you in exchange for more.

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MattL
4/10/2016 05:23:32 pm

I haven't got much money, but as Digitiser meant/means so much to me and finding this site has taken me back to a happier point in my life, I would definitely try to scrape together something to pay for a DVD of Biffovision! The pilot was incredible and the chance to help it survive as a series even though commissioning editors were disinterested would be terrific. Perhaps as well as things like T-shirts and so on three pricing tiers for the physical copy of the show might be a good idea: either just a basic DVD, then one with special features and a third deluxe option signed by Mr Biffo at a higher cost?

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Mr howard
4/10/2016 05:28:10 pm

I'd go for about 25 quid for a crudely drawn picture of your daddy.

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Paul
4/10/2016 05:28:41 pm

I'd like to. I'm not particularly flush at the moment, but I'd consider a punt on this if the pricing tiers felt right.

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Picston Shottle
4/10/2016 05:33:44 pm

Couldn't care less about extras, DVD's, stickers, etc. All I care about is seeing more of this mental stuff you dream up, and £25 seems to be the going rate, which I'd be happy to pay.

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Paulvw
4/10/2016 05:48:39 pm

Yeah, £25 backing for a basic dvd copy and download seems fair enough, rewards, dunno.

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DrDagless
4/10/2016 05:48:45 pm

I could contribute £10 -£20. It's not much, but at least it would buy you a few Jaffa Cakes or some Weetabix for when you got peckish while filming.

As for perks, I'd be happy with a simple credit somewhere thanking backers, or a download/dvd etc for a slightly higher amount.

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David W
4/10/2016 05:55:45 pm

Backing a series of videos: Yes.

Amount of money: Definitely some.

Rewards: Just the videos. Bin stickers and similar heartfelt cheapies for people who like to get physical (rewards.)

Perhaps start with a £1,000 campaign for another video in the manner of Digifest? That seems a comfortably achievable target.

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Kelvin Green link
4/10/2016 05:56:27 pm

I'd be happy to contribute £25, or maybe more if you get Ingrid Oliver back. Not bothered about add-ons or stretch goals.

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Dan V
4/10/2016 06:00:55 pm

How many of you would be prepared to back a series of Mr Biffo videos? Yes! Yes! A million times yes! Count me in!

How much would you be prepared to back them for?
If you did something like Kick-starter it would depend on the reward bands, but if it was just give you money in exchange for the videos I'd say about £20-£25. But if there were some great rewards I'd consider paying more.

What would you want in return in terms of rewards?
If you tiered it you could have things like Stickers, Skype Call, Personalised Tweet? A signed postcard or something, exclusive video (I gave more to a youtuber to fund a series to get some exclusive never released downloads), A large price band being to star in a video! For another high tier you could turn an image of someones choice into teletext art, just digital and then a bit higher for it printed. I'd even enjoy a second edition of the Man-Daddys Joke Book.
Just some ideas based on other projects I've backed.

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Dan V
4/10/2016 06:04:06 pm

I will clarify that I'm not too worried about rewards, I would give you £20-£25 right now to see the videos.

The rewards are just some ideas. As I would be willing to pay more depending on what could be, like even though I spoke to you at Digifest. I'd happily pay more for a quick Skype call with you.

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Geddy Lee of Rush
4/10/2016 06:16:00 pm

25-30 , name in the credits or something would be nice. Not bothered about anything material, I've got more digi merch than any other single thing (by a long way).

Do hope this happens. Great things happen when you're let loose!

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Wet Ham
4/10/2016 06:19:04 pm

I'd love to see this happen. The adverts were right up my comedy street! So, I'd be willing to throw a little money your way - £50-£100 or something.

Also, I'm a professional composer, so if you wanted some music writing for it, I'd be happy to help with that, if that was something might be helpful/interesting at all?

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Tinker's Cuss
4/10/2016 06:21:09 pm

Stick me dahn ferra pony Mr B.
(Is that the correct Cockernee?)

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Barrybarrybarrybarry
4/10/2016 06:24:56 pm

Set it up, big man. I'd be in for £20, if that's what the people are saying.

And make no mistake, they seem to be.

Also, sorry for calling you 'big man' up there. Not sure what came over me.

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Barrybarrybarrybarry
4/10/2016 06:26:46 pm

Having just checked again, I may have made a mistake, as I implored you not to. £25 seems to be more on the mark.

You're meant to give away your first one of the new fivers, aren't you? I just got mine today.

I'm back in.

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Dave C
4/10/2016 06:27:33 pm

Yes
£100 depending on bank balance and number of episodes
Behind the scenes on BluRay, executive producer credit, role as an extra, lunch at your house, lunch at my house, Roaming Thomas plushies (that don't burn), Mr T personally guarding my bins.

On a personal note I loved the videos at the party on Saturday and would prefer that style over Biffovision.

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Damon link
4/10/2016 06:40:42 pm

I would be prepared to support.

Probably 20-25 USD (comes out to 15-20 GBP I think).

I am a T-shirt junkie. I do like a nice poster, though. If you really want to go the extra mile you could record commentary to give the DVD extra value...

As for a DVD I'm not sure I'd do anything with that in practice (nevermind trying to play it in my Region 1 player...(OK OK I have an international player but that's not the main idea here)) though I suppose if you sign it it would have novelty value and could fetch tens of dollars on Ebay.

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John Veness
4/10/2016 07:10:41 pm

Oh yes, a commentary would be a great extra.

I haven't gone fully digital yet so would like a physical DVD or Blu-ray, but a digital version would be good too, as long as it was DRM-free.

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Kara Van Park
4/10/2016 06:53:25 pm

Defo worth £20-25 for a Digital download (no need for discs, you could send a cover to print out and let us scavenge our own case)

I'd put in at least £50 if you chucked in a copy of the script too.

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Armand Tamsarian
4/10/2016 07:34:31 pm

I'd be happy to spunk a one off metric tonne to help you get started Biffums.
Not too bothered about rewards to be honest, personally I'd rather see every pence worth splashed down on the screen for everybody's benefit.

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Zombelina link
4/10/2016 07:35:46 pm

Absolutely. I'm in at the £25 mark, more if I happen to have it. T-shirts are nice, but a credit would be lovely. The ads were brilliantly and bizarrely funny, and I would love to see more. Or possibly just a series of Quiz-me-do.

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RichardM
4/10/2016 07:40:21 pm

Yeah, I'd fund it.

£5 - Goodwill.
£10 - Name in the credits.
£20 - All of the above & digital download.
£50 - Above & signed DVD art.
£100 - Above & invitation to launch party.
£250 - Above & visit to recording.
£500 - Above & character named after you.
£1000 - Above & seat on set with your name on it, jodhpurs, megaphone, tell Mr Biffo what to do, etc.

I'd be in for £100 or so I reckon.

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Mike
4/10/2016 08:07:10 pm

£25 quid from me sir. You once printed on digi my reviews of chase HQ and also, later, burnout 3. Which I dissed up real bad - I much preferred burnout 2. It was so cool to see my stuff on the telly Mr biffo, cheers for that :)

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James Swallow
4/10/2016 08:25:05 pm

£50 from me sir. Maybe 500 if my Mrs leaves me before Christmas.

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David Shipp
4/10/2016 08:34:45 pm

£20 or £25 if I can be in it

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Adam
4/10/2016 08:50:31 pm

I'd happily put in £10-£25, depending on what I could afford at the time. The rewards probably wouldn't really enter into it - I just want (need) to see more Goujon John. That bloke was tremendous!

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Professor Toblerone
4/10/2016 08:50:42 pm

Yes! £50? Just take my money already!

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Dan link
4/10/2016 08:59:05 pm

I was going to say you could give away Roaming Thomases as perks, but I forgot about the PRODUCT RECALL...

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HelicopterCrisps
4/10/2016 09:14:20 pm

(Chamberlain) Yes I would!
I would probably fork out something between £25 - £100 (perhaps more if Mr T would personally guard my bins for a week)

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Gaijintendo
4/10/2016 09:48:33 pm

I would want some Goujons delivered, but I would pay anything.

Remember too, that you have to pay yourself as well as make it, so have a really good think about costs.

Personally, I would say it would be easier for me to dig deep on one occasion rather than subscribe - but I totally appreciate that subscribing would help make making financial commitments to a project less scary.

Another thing about tax - presumably everything is bought these days on Amazon? Yes yes? Maybe we could also donate Amazon credit. Would that be a tax free way to help with budgets? OR is that just fanciful?

Here is my pitch for a sketch.

Guy says goodbye to his girlfriend and sets off to travel afar. She gifts him a locket with her picture to remember her.

Week one; cracks one out looking at locket
Week two; places locket on top of jazz mag
Week three: makes sexy with a girl using the locket as a monocle.

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Barrie Ellis link
4/10/2016 09:57:46 pm

£25 ish. If a sponsorship opportunity more (even if ripping the piss like Herring does). Not far off skint, but would love to see it happen, and really like the DIY rough-arse style.

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Spiney O'Sullivan
4/10/2016 10:16:29 pm

I love the momentum that has built up off Digifest. I haven't crowdfunded anything before (I still wish I'd got my name in the 15-minute-long credits for BrokenSword 5 or Broken Age...), so this might be the time to do it.

Personally I wouldn't be too worried about physical donor rewards. Better to go for digital downloads or something and not have to focus on a side-industry of T-shirt/mugs/reversible Sedgewicks while trying to make a TV show.

Actually, maybe the Sedgewicks.

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Poo-ter
4/10/2016 10:17:08 pm

I'd also shove 25 poun in yer money hole.

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Count Peacock
4/10/2016 10:29:44 pm

I loved Biffovision, so many great parts I'd like to see more of. I would indeed pay money, in fact I'd come and act in it for free (I'm an actor). But that would likely end up too expensive... like the others I think £25-30 for a DVD would definitely be possible.

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roboJamie
5/10/2016 03:53:13 pm

I would also act in it for free. (I'm most definitely NOT an actor.)

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Count Peacock
5/10/2016 04:02:03 pm

I wouldn't worry about that, I have worked with many people who are most definitely not actors! and sometimes it can turn out OK! Even if you're not an actor, you can try and act like one...

Helium bong
4/10/2016 11:08:21 pm

I'd happily drop £50 a month to help pay for goujon johns monthly tanning bill

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Duckusss
4/10/2016 11:12:20 pm

I would send you some of your Earth Pounds for this. About fifty of them, or more.

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Bobby Chuckles
5/10/2016 01:15:27 am

Having had a splendid time at digifest I was going to throw some money down the Patreon hole anyway... 25 quid feels about right, wouldn't expect much more than a credit for that. But perhaps bear in mind that if people are funding biffovision they _may_ be less inclined to also support digi2000...

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Jambone Cuck
5/10/2016 02:22:14 am

I described the videos to friends who couldn't attend as "more Biffovision" which wasn't strictly accurate style-wise but it was the best I could manage and I've always wanted more Biffovision. At Digifest, I felt like the only person to cheer "even the toast is a ghost, and your daddy is in the toast". All of the actors you got for that were splendid but as noted by another respondent above, Goujon John is something else. No idea where you found him, but I'm glad you did.

If it happened relatively soon then I could definitely chuck in £50-100, weighted towards the top,end of that scale.

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Maccy
5/10/2016 02:26:47 am

Recommended tiers:

£5 - Goujon
£10 - More goujons
£20 - A personalised email message card from Goujon John
£50 - All of the above, plus bonus goujon
£100 - What is that noise?
£500 - Seriously, what is that noise?!
£1000 - ROOOOAMMMMMIIINNNNGGG TTTHHHHOOMMMAASSSS
£5000 - Goujon

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jopijedd
5/10/2016 08:51:25 am

Thanks for that. I had just taken a mouthful of tea when i got to the "What is that noise?" line.

Now: messy to clears.

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Wrist flapper
5/10/2016 04:42:17 am

I spat about 70 or 80 quids at the Mystery Science Theatre 3000 revival kickstarter and I suspect I'd do similar here. The reason I mention it, other than to highlight my amazing selfless altruism, is that they recently announced they were going to air on Netflix. Given that they also show things like Red vs Blue and other such internet-born items, that may be something worth considering if you did this...

Obviously, if that idea works out I went crediting as executive producer or somesuch.

Oh, and I'm of a similarly not bothered opinion regarding optical media. I mean, it'd be a nice collector's item but the only place you see a DVD collection these days is CeX.

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Lofty from EastEnders
5/10/2016 09:13:07 am

I'd probably bung in £20 just because I like you. Whether or not I'd want to watch a whole series of videos like those is another matter: I very much enjoyed the Digifest nonsense but for me the highlights of the videos were the retro references and the fact that I was surrounded by a community of like-minded idiots and drunks. If you sent me a DVD to watch on my sofa I'd have to wait until my wife and kids had gone to bed and I'm just not sure I'd ever bother. Nothing personal: I'm just middle-aged, so I don't have a lot of spare time. Also, I've never been the same since Michelle jilted me at the altar.

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Dowser00
5/10/2016 01:06:56 pm

Having watched the adverts come to life I'd definitely pay to see more of them. They are astoundingly funny. Good luck adapting the 12 Ronnie's though..

For 20-25 quid all I ask is a copy of totally phants and turts

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John Veness
5/10/2016 01:54:37 pm

The only magazine that is 100% 50% phants and 50% turts.

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roboJamie
5/10/2016 04:20:39 pm

I'd have to see the payment vs content model that you’re adopting, but yes, in general I’d be up for funding some more video content.

I've contributed money to a few online video things in the last few years. A couple that stick in my mind are “From Bedrooms to Billionaires”, the UK 80s computer scene docu, and the Ain’t it Cool news series of videos. The former was an enjoyable one-off that lasted 2-3 hours and for which I felt I’d got my money’s worth. For the AICN series, I watched the first couple and then I stopped really caring about it due to them being a bit shite, so even though I’d helped fund it that didn’t translate into views.

So I’m not sure what the best structure is - is it to get a series funded up-front and hope it generates enough word-of-mouth to increase the audience, and then get a second series paid for? Or is it to produce each episode on a fund-me-do basis one-by-one?

Speaking of generating interest, you should really split up parts of the Digifest videos into their consitiuent parts, and spread them via Facebook, Reddit, etc. Who wouldn’t have their interest piqued after watching an advert for Swan Paint with no further context about what the hell is going on?

Owls.

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roboJamie
5/10/2016 05:12:41 pm

Oh, I forgot to answer your questions:

Up to £50, and the only reward I want is a smug sense of self-satisfaction.

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sunteam link
5/10/2016 06:47:49 pm

Hell yeah! Would probably go £20-£25.

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Monkey Head
6/10/2016 06:57:24 am

I'd likely give £20/25, wouldn't mind if i didn't get anything back except the fun of watching the finished article. Any idea of a timescale for donations?

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Steeeeve
6/10/2016 01:31:09 pm

Count me in. £20-£25 seems to be about the going rate. A bit more if you want to chuck in some kind of exclusive t-shirt thingy so I can have "BIFFOVISION" (or whatever) emblazoned across my chest to impress/confuse/incite indifference in people as they realised that I helped to make some obscure web video nonsense.

Digital copies are fine, I can live without a DVD (although if you felt like getting some printed up, cool). In an ideal world everyone who backs should get sent a photograph with one of the things that got made for the show that roughly reflects the amount donated, so they can go (for instance) "See that papier mache chin that's been crudely sellotaped to that character's face? I donated towards the construction of that, I did".

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Mr Biffo
6/10/2016 01:56:04 pm

Cheers, y'all for the feedback so far. I am convinced to try this!

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Wet Ham
6/10/2016 02:03:43 pm

Slightly obscure alternative idea...

The Biffovision Song Contest?

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Clive Peppard
6/10/2016 05:37:02 pm

I will donate £1.79 in exchange for a starring role and your first born child.

or

£20 no questions asked no reward wanted.

your choice...

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Rakladtor IV
7/10/2016 03:33:47 am

I preferred the ads in teletext form and found the glitchy editing reminiscent of h3h3productions, yet plan to donate to digi once it eventually becomes digi's turn to receive. How much? An average of the pledges made here would be a fair approximation

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